What color is this Cockerel

[Ponyiqandhens2]

This cockerel,Puppy, was hatched under my OEG bantam, but not her egg, blue egg..( blue egg layers are blue ameraucana, 2 crested cream legbars, and 1 Easter egger ( but based on size shape doubt it was hers - lighter and since she is a couple years old much older her eggs are bigger) I have the following roosters ( golden sebright, sebrightxegger cross) jubilee orpington, splash ameraucana , and a deleware

He is much bigger and heavier than any other bird here, but as gentle or more so than the jubilee orpington. He is also exceptionally predator savvy and very good at alerting ...

 

[MysteryChicken]

I believe the Legbar is the mother. The specking in the breast makes me think he's split for mottling, so the Jubilee Orpington is probably the father, plus the white/pink Shanks are a good clue since white/pink shanks are dominant over yellow legs.

So he'd be Silver Duckwing Barred(Crele), Mottled Split.

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

That would explain the temperament, he is very much like Jethro, the lead Rooster for lack of a better term.Jethro has his two jubilee girls that are always with him,he breaks up squabbles, keeps the younger boys in line , never starts issues but will end them..puppy makes Jethro look minature, but is just as sweet and gentle, just bigger and an even better guardian

Thank you very much. I am going to put the jubilees into a breeding pen later this ssd's pring..since I like Puppy, I may throw one of the legbars in,since I can pick her eggs out. I like the size, I believe would be a good dual bird if they are similar to him. He is a better foragers than the orpington, but jethro does ok as a free range bird

 

[NatJ]

I believe the Legbar is the mother. The specking in the breast makes me think he's split for mottling, so the Jubilee Orpington is probably the father, plus the white/pink Shanks are a good clue since white/pink shanks are dominant over yellow legs.

But both of those are gold, so they should only produce gold chicks. The cockerel looks silver to me.

So he'd be Silver Duckwing Barred(Crele), Mottled Split.

I agree that he is Silver, but that should not be possible from a cross of Cream Legbar hen x Jubilee Orpington rooster. So I think you are wrong about at least one parent.

blue egg..( blue egg layers are blue ameraucana, 2 crested cream legbars, and 1 Easter egger ( but based on size shape doubt it was hers - lighter and since she is a couple years old much older her eggs are bigger)

I would expect the Legbars to produce chicks that show a crest, and I do not see a crest on that cockerel.

I would expect Ameraucanas to produce chicks that show muff/beard on the face, and that have a pea comb. I would also expect their chicks to be black or blue all over, rather than showing a pattern of several colors like this cockerel shows.

If the Easter Egger really did not lay the egg, then I will guess that one of the Cream Legbars is the mother, because that has fewer problems (missing crest) than if a Blue Ameraucana was the mother.

Or there is a chance the Easter Egger actually is the mother, and laid an egg that does not look normal for her (since I don't know her coloring, comb type, or other traits, I can't tell how likely that is.)

I have the following roosters ( golden sebright, sebrightxegger cross) jubilee orpington, splash ameraucana , and a deleware

He appears to have barring, which means at least one parent must have barring. If the Legbar is his mother, that accounts for it. Otherwise the Delaware would be the most likely father.

I do not think the Splash Ameraucana could be the father. The cockerel appears to show black but not blue in his coloring (splash can produce blue chicks or splash chicks, depending on the color of the other parent, but never black chicks.) The Splash Ameraucana should also produce chicks that have muff/beard, pea comb, and are blue all over (not showing a pattern of several colors.)

If the mother is the Cream Legbar, then the Silver cockerel cannot have a gold father, which rules out the Golden Sebright and the Jubilee Orpington.

That leaves the possibility of the Sebright x egger cross, or the Delaware.

blue egg layers are... 1 Easter egger ( but based on size shape doubt it was hers - lighter and since she is a couple years old much older her eggs are bigger)

I have the following roosters...sebrightxegger cross

Pictures of the Easter Egger hen and the Sebright x egger cross might be helpful.

 

[MysteryChicken]

But both of those are gold, so they should only produce gold chicks. The cockerel looks silver to me.



I agree that he is Silver, but that should not be possible from a cross of Cream Legbar hen x Jubilee Orpington rooster. So I think you are wrong about at least one parent.


I would expect the Legbars to produce chicks that show a crest, and I do not see a crest on that cockerel.

I would expect Ameraucanas to produce chicks that show muff/beard on the face, and that have a pea comb. I would also expect their chicks to be black or blue all over, rather than showing a pattern of several colors like this cockerel shows.

If the Easter Egger really did not lay the egg, then I will guess that one of the Cream Legbars is the mother, because that has fewer problems (missing crest) than if a Blue Ameraucana was the mother.

Or there is a chance the Easter Egger actually is the mother, and laid an egg that does not look normal for her (since I don't know her coloring, comb type, or other traits, I can't tell how likely that is.)


He appears to have barring, which means at least one parent must have barring. If the Legbar is his mother, that accounts for it. Otherwise the Delaware would be the most likely father.

I do not think the Splash Ameraucana could be the father. The cockerel appears to show black but not blue in his coloring (splash can produce blue chicks or splash chicks, depending on the color of the other parent, but never black chicks.) The Splash Ameraucana should also produce chicks that have muff/beard, pea comb, and are blue all over (not showing a pattern of several colors.)

If the mother is the Cream Legbar, then the Silver cockerel cannot have a gold father, which rules out the Golden Sebright and the Jubilee Orpington.

That leaves the possibility of the Sebright x egger cross, or the Delaware.



Pictures of the Easter Egger hen and the Sebright x egger cross might be helpful.

There's two strains of Legbar. I assumed the silver line.

 

[NatJ]

There's two strains of Legbar. I assumed the silver line. View attachment 3736039

Huh? So some "Crested Cream Legbars" are actually silver rather than cream (based on gold)?

But yes, that could do it. I was not aware of them.

2 crested cream legbars

Pictures of the Legbars would be helpful too, since it appears that not all "Cream Legbars" actually have the genes their color/name says they do.

 

[Fluster Cluck Acres]

This cockerel,Puppy, was hatched under my OEG bantam, but not her egg, blue egg..( blue egg layers are blue ameraucana, 2 crested cream legbars, and 1 Easter egger ( but based on size shape doubt it was hers - lighter and since she is a couple years old much older her eggs are bigger) I have the following roosters ( golden sebright, sebrightxegger cross) jubilee orpington, splash ameraucana , and a deleware

He is much bigger and heavier than any other bird here, but as gentle or more so than the jubilee orpington. He is also exceptionally predator savvy and very good at alerting ...

I don't know what he is, but he's beautiful!

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

Ok here are pictures of Puppy from a chick as well as the legbars and Easter egger. One of the legbars is much lighter than the other. I dont have any great adult pictures of the darker girl so I included her pictures from 4-7 months the other legbar is in a soft molt right now but I took a few of her last night .

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

Also both legbars have Crest, the older girl's is quite as big and some of it ,a lot of it has been pulled by roosters

 

[NatJ]

Ok here are pictures of Puppy from a chick as well as the legbars and Easter egger. One of the legbars is much lighter than the other. I dont have any great adult pictures of the darker girl so I included her pictures from 4-7 months the other legbar is in a soft molt right now but I took a few of her last night . View attachment 3736306View attachment 3736307View attachment 3736308View attachment 3736310View attachment 3736311View attachment 3736312View attachment 3736313View attachment 3736314View attachment 3736315View attachment 3736316View attachment 3736317View attachment 3736318View attachment 3736319View attachment 3736320View attachment 3736321View attachment 3736322View attachment 3736323

Based on those photos, the mother probably is one of those Legbars. Yes, they do appear to be genetically silver, so either one could produce a silver son, which the cockerel is.

As regards the crest, I can see two possible explanations for how they show a crest and he does not:
--he may just have a small crest that I'm not seeing (Legbar roosters seem to have much smaller crests than hens, in most photos.)
--or one of the hens who has a crest, might also carry the gene for no crest, which could then be inherited by her son. (Crested Cream Legbars are supposed to be pure for the crest gene, but that doesn't mean they always are.)

I now agree with @MysteryChicken about the most likely parents of that chick (Cream Legbar mother, actually Silver rather than really Cream, and the Jubilee Orpington is a likely father.)