What could this hen have?

it doesn't hurt to start them on a probiotic while you are treating, as far as I know. I don't *think* the probiotic you use would hurt them, but I don't know for sure. You can order products like benebac (there is an avian version, I think) but I think live yogurt works fine. I used to give my girls live/raw yogurt with slices of strawberries (for the vitamin C), and they adored it. I never gave them much, because chickens aren't mammals, and not designed to digest milk, but I haven't heard anyone say that they had a problem giving their girls yogurt or dairy products.

I don't know that I would give ACV unless you are planning on giving them the "mother", but that is mainly going to be yeast cultures and the byproducts of the cultures, and not digestive bacteria, and I don't know that giving an acid like vinegar is very helpful when you are trying to culture "good" bacteria in the gut....Did you know that Victorian women used to drink vinegar to appear more pale? :hmm

At her age, its also possible she simply has a nutrient deficiency, and needs a broad spectrum supplement or some electrolytes. Most of my girls put on the breaks as far as egg production goes, right at the two year mark, so I wouldn't worry about lack of egg production at this moment (though egg production can cease if body condition is too poor to support it). It doesn't really seem like she has the symptoms of any particular disease...just general unthriftiness...someone mentioned mites because your girls stopped roosting in the coop? Soft bodied ticks live in the coop rather than on the bird...signs you have them are little black/brown (dried blood) droplets in crevices and crannies in the coop...you might check that too...if the girls stopped roosting in there, that could be a reason. Soft ticks come out of the nooks and crannies at night, and feed on the coop occupants. They can cause anemia, depression, weight loss, and general unthriftiness as well...have you been able to get your hands on any of the other flock members? How is their feather condition? Are they thin? These could also be signs of soft ticks in your coop...
 
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I have 21 chickens, 9 ducks and three feeding areas. The ducks wait until the chickens are done and I can't say I've noticed anything but that doesn't mean it's not happening. I had the babies in a cage on the grass in the free range area to get everyone used to each and she was hanging around pecking at the food the babies were kicking out of the enclosure. I did wonder about her being at the bottom of the pecking order but she just looked so listless. She walks very cautiously and kind of slow but did try to run away when I picked her up. Do chickens try to hide sickness like other animals do for fear it shows weakness?
 
With regard to the probiotic, I give a whole capsule (equal to half an adult daily dosage) sprinkled on a day's food for 7 chickens. I always give probiotics at the same time as I medicate my girls, and continue for two or three days after I stop the medication. I don't know for certain if it helps them, but it certainly doesn't do them any harm! If you don't have powder, probiotic yogurt is also a good treat for them. (Stand well back or you will get covered in flying yogurt!)
 
what KayTee said! they fling it EVERYWHERE! And yes, if they don't feel 100%, they will do their best to hide it until they can no longer do so. Prey animals. It's a survival instinct.
 
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it doesn't hurt to start them on a probiotic while you are treating, as far as I know. I don't *think* the probiotic you use would hurt them, but I don't know for sure. You can order products like benebac (there is an avian version, I think) but I think live yogurt works fine. I used to give my girls live/raw yogurt with slices of strawberries (for the vitamin C), and they adored it. I never gave them much, because chickens aren't mammals, and not designed to digest milk, but I haven't heard anyone say that they had a problem giving their girls yogurt or dairy products.

I don't know that I would give ACV unless you are planning on giving them the "mother", but that is mainly going to be yeast cultures and the byproducts of the cultures, and not digestive bacteria, and I don't know that giving an acid like vinegar is very helpful when you are trying to culture "good" bacteria in the gut....Did you know that Victorian women used to drink vinegar to appear more pale? :hmm

At her age, its also possible she simply has a nutrient deficiency, and needs a broad spectrum supplement or some electrolytes. Most of my girls put on the breaks as far as egg production goes, right at the two year mark, so I wouldn't worry about lack of egg production at this moment (though egg production can cease if body condition is too poor to support it). It doesn't really seem like she has the symptoms of any particular disease...just general unthriftiness...someone mentioned mites because your girls stopped roosting in the coop? Soft bodied ticks live in the coop rather than on the bird...signs you have them are little black/brown (dried blood) droplets in crevices and crannies in the coop...you might check that too...if the girls stopped roosting in there, that could be a reason. Soft ticks come out of the nooks and crannies at night, and feed on the coop occupants. They can cause anemia, depression, weight loss, and general unthriftiness as well...have you been able to get your hands on any of the other flock members? How is their feather condition? Are they thin? These could also be signs of soft ticks in your coop...

Thank you for all of this great info, and no I didn't know that about Victorian women drinking vinegar to promote pale skin. I wonder what reaction to vinegar causes that. Vinegar makes me sweat when I drink it! I love information! I will check for ticks.
 
Do chickens try to hide sickness like other animals do for fear it shows weakness?
Absolutely! I have had experience of two extremely sick girls, and each time just by watching the flock you wouldn't have immediately identified them as being ill compared to the other girls - they hide it very well. It was only by regularly handling, weighing and checking them, and being extremely observant with regard to feeding, pooping etc that I realised each one was sick.
 
I have 21 chickens, 9 ducks and three feeding areas.
Even if the ducks are waiting for every single chicken to finish, that still means an average of 7 chickens per feeding area. I don't know what the standard recommended average is, but I had 2 feeding areas for 7 chickens, and have added a third now that I have introduced 3 more girls, so 3 posts for 10 birds. It may be a bit more than necessary, but I prefer to do that and be certain that everyone has the chance to eat.

One more thing that may (or may not) be relevant. Have you changed feed recently? A year ago my top girl became very thin, and I couldn't understand why, until I watched really closely one day; I had changed to a different brand of feed, and even though she was head chook and got first shot at the feed each day, she would go to the bowl, peck once or twice, then leave it and then wander off to free range. She hated the new feed I had bought (the pellets were a bit harder and shinier than the usual brand), and she obviously wasn't getting enough nutrients from just free ranging alone. Once I changed back to the original brand she started eating normally again, and put weight back on!
 
My husband and I have decided to add three more feeding areas and two more watering areas. We are going to only let the ducks swim twice a week and we are going to empty the pools between bathing so there isn't standing water with duck poop in it that the chickens can drink. Now I'm worried about that too! Does anyone have any advice on how I should now handle my 6-8 week old babies? Can/should I use Wazine on them? I don't like medications. I am reluctant to use this stuff but I don't want to loose any birds or have them suffer unnecessarily. Is Wazine an antibiotic or just a substance that is toxic to worms? Should we stop eating/ giving away our eggs while I administer this?
 
that sounds like a good game plan (I don't know about ducks, but the chicken part sounds good ;) ). Wazine is not an antibiotic. it is an antihelmintic (worm poison). I don't worm mine often. Usually only once a year, if even that often. Like you, I do not like chemicals. There is a withdraw period in which you are not supposed to eat the eggs, so generally, if I am going to worm them, I do it in the winter time when egg laying slows down/stops. I wouldn't worry about worming your chickens at that age. I ususally don't consider worming until their first winter of egg producing age. I know many members of this forum who never worm, and there are others that are religious about it. I tend toward the former rather than the latter. If my birds seem more listless than ususal, I will worm them when winter comes. In your case, I would worm your isolation chicken, see how she responds, and if she improves, go ahead and worm the whole flock.

Supposedly there is stuff you can give them like ACV, and capsacin (stuff that gives peppers it's heat) that help PREVENT (not treat) worm infestation, but I do not know how much truth there is to these claims.
 
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that sounds like a good game plan (I don't know about ducks, but the chicken part sounds good ;) ). Wazine is not an antibiotic. it is an antihelmintic (worm poison). I don't worm mine often. Usually only once a year, if even that often. Like you, I do not like chemicals. There is a withdraw period in which you are not supposed to eat the eggs, so generally, if I am going to worm them, I do it in the winter time when egg laying slows down/stops. I wouldn't worry about worming your chickens at that age. I ususally don't consider worming until their first winter of egg producing age. I know many members of this forum who never worm, and there are others that are religious about it. I tend toward the former rather than the latter. If my birds seem more listless than ususal, I will worm them when winter comes. In your case, I would worm your isolation chicken, see how she responds, and if she improves, go ahead and worm the whole flock.

Supposedly there is stuff you can give them like ACV, and capsacin (stuff that gives peppers it's heat) that help PREVENT (not treat) worm infestation, but I do not know how much truth there is to these claims.

I also read that pumpkin and cucumber seeds, garlic, wormwood and other holistic items kill worms but with 30 birds that just seems like a "cucumbersome" process. Sorry for my cheesy joke. I had to lighten the mood. I've been really stressing over all of this. I'll try the wormer on my caged chicken. I'm going to bathe her today and really check her little body out to rule out mites completely and my husband and I are going to super clean the coop and redo the diatomaceous earth treatment in there and change all the shavings this weekend. Keep your fingers crossed for me!
 

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