What do you know about chemtrails?

[Illia]

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I know the difference between an Airliner and a Jet, and trust me, we get plenty of Jets out here and none excrete any vapors or solids of any kind that are visible in the sky. These planes doing circles and 8's were obvious airliners from the naked eye. My point exactly was that they don't do loops, but these did. Not loops per say but circles.


I don't have a say on what really is going on, I've seen no hard evidence on there being chemicals in the trails, I just know that I have seen some odd things, but I'm not going to follow any opinions yet until someone who's in the business knows what they're talking about and explains it.

 

[dewey]

I don't believe any conspiracy theories. None. LOL I'm always the last to know everything because I suspect nothing. When a "methinks thou dost protest too much" type of thing comes up, it's interesting to check it out.

The 2001 Space Preservation Act specifically named Chemtrails as a weapons system to be banned (Sec.7(2)(B)(ii)).
(A 2002 Bill was accepted, without including Chemtrails.) Contrails are just condensation, not a weapon that would need banned, and although some may not use the word "chemtrails", delineating them from contrails doesn't seem to be an issue for the government, etc.

Senate hearings confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1003703226697496080.html

Congressional hearings confirm that American populations were used as guinea pigs for testing biological and chemical agents since WW2.

2011 The Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues regarding human experiments of past, states "The researchers put their own medical advancement first and human decency a far second..." http://bioethics.gov/cms/node/280

...and the list of things finally exposed or admitted to but denied in the past...hmm, now, that makes those things real conspiracies

...goes on and on.

In no way a conspiracy nut, LOL. I've never believed any conspiracy theories, usually even after they've been proven to be true

. Interested in the present with eyes also wide open on what's been done in the past, where, let's face it, there IS a long list of proven conspiracies, yes.

Short TV news story on chemtrails...

 

[dewey]

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I'm about 50 years old and find it humorous how the simple ability to ID every day planes or clouds is brought into question.

 

[flyingtnh]

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I know the difference between an Airliner and a Jet, and trust me, we get plenty of Jets out here and none excrete any vapors or solids of any kind that are visible in the sky. These planes doing circles and 8's were obvious airliners from the naked eye. My point exactly was that they don't do loops, but these did. Not loops per say but circles.


I don't have a say on what really is going on, I've seen no hard evidence on there being chemicals in the trails, I just know that I have seen some odd things, but I'm not going to follow any opinions yet until someone who's in the business knows what they're talking about and explains it.

Not saying this is what you're seeing, but you're near several air refueling tracks flown by KC-135 tankers flown out of Fairchild AFB and eslewhere as well as KC-10s (Both are developed from airliners: Boeing 707 and McD's DC-10, respectively), in which the tankers orbit while waiting for or refueling receivers. You're also in a spot where AWACS and other birds would be orbiting in support of exercises or real-world surveillance for the border or the Warning areas just offshore. In addition, you're near a lot of aircraft development, not the least of which are Boeing's HQ and the facility out in Moses Lake. Orbits and other maneuvers wouldn't be unusual at all.

As for contrails - for clarification, the cause of most contrails actually is from particles, often microscopic, in the exhaust. Moisture collects on them and freezes into ice droplets. Depending on the quantity of moisture in the air and the ambient temperature, they may disperse immediately or may persist. In some conditions, they can stay for a very long time.

Another phenomenon often referred to as contrails occurs in moist air due to the differences of pressure caused by the aerodynamic effects of an aircraft. These can cause cloud-like wisps - often off the wingtips (prop or rotor tips also). If you look on the web you can find lots of examples of fighter aircraft forming these over the "shoulder" of the wing root during high-G turns. This also can occur during transonic flight due to the pressure differential on either side of the pressure wave(s). Images below are of two of my favorite aircraft demonstrating those in turn:

 

[the Pollo Loco]

is there a commercial airliner pilot in the house? have you seen the trails and could you chime in? does anyone have access to all the lab equip. needed to study the trails?

 

[ivan3]

ANTI-LASER AEROSOLS
Tech Level: 12

One unusual but effective defense against lasers would be aerosol dispensers. These come in either a "bomb" form (where a canister of compressed air releases the substance omni-directionally from a casing) or spray-can form. Either way, the aerosol would pump ultrafine but reflective particles into the air around a potential target. The particles would be fine enough to hang suspended in the air from several minutes to up to half an hour, depending on weather and wind conditions. A laser beam hitting these particles would disperse just as if it had hit a thick dust cloud, even though to the naked eye the area would appear only mildly hazy. Again, though, the reflective properties of the aerosol particles may only work against certain wavelengths.

First thing I'd suspect if I lived within 150 miles of an AFB in CA. Maybe testing a new breed of `chaff' to release from our coming generations of unmanned aircraft when the Chinese fire their lasers...

Testing of high level dispersal of undectable weaponized particulates? Homologous nontoxic particles - don't want to harm the sponsors - paired with ground based sensors tuned to detect only those particles? a stretch, but possible. Testing of visually detectable particulates? So 1950's... Besides, if looking to whack a specific area from above do it during the night (less atmospheric mixing).

Want to get up to speed on dispersal of aerosols? http://www.osti.gov/bridge/ (just search `Aerosol dispersion').

Slightly off topic: the above site is packed with excellent info. if you come across an interesting title that hasn't been digitized you can do your duty to your country and sponsor it: http://www.osti.gov/adoptAdoc/help.jsp#faq

As Thanksgiving is around the corner, and all you carvers out there are probably reviewing Flying Karamazov Brothers vids to sharpen up your act, I thought I'd post the link to the document I found in the `stacks' and sponsored a few years back:

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=4811958

Why the Atomic Energy Commission produced it? A question for another day - but it probably wasn't coincidence...​

 

[flyingtnh]

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Not an airline pilot, but I've got 2 decades of flying the airplanes I posted pics of. I've definitely seen and made plenty of contrails. I always know the airplane I'm flying, pitot tube to tail feathers, and I've never flown an aircraft that had something to make "chem trails" on it, nor do I put credence in the idea.

 

[Mattemma]

I did a search before creating my own thread,so I figured I would post on this one

I don't know a thing about what I call the X CLOUDS(aka chemtrails),but they do concern me.

The last few weeks my Ohio town has been covered in X CLOUDS.Just yesterday am taking the kids to school there was 4 expanding X CLOUDS around my home. By the time we got to the highway all the X CLOUDS released had expanded so much it actually blanketed the town in white.The sun was an orange haze. We are under a white cloud blanket more days than not.

Are the X CLOUDS the reason for the increased fog in my area? Why are we blocking out the sun? No wonder my vitD level was so low the doc put me on weekly pills.

One of my friends said testing of the air in high X CLOUD seeded areas revealed avariety of chemicals and even biological material.NASA once commented that it will *own* the weather by 2020.

I don't know what to think,but I really hope for my children sake that whatever is being done will not harm them or their enviroment. I don't recall seeing so much X-ing except these past few years.Nothing that can be done about it,but I just wish I knew the truth even if I can't change a thing.

 

[song of joy]

This is an old, but relevant thread. For those who are uncomfortable with the term "chemtrail", I'd recommend researching the technical terms for this phenomenon: solar radiation management and geoengineering. Chemtrail spraying is occurring almost daily in central Pennsylvania, turning the skies into a white haze.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4717532/

 

[BBQJOE]

There's something going on. And that's all I'm going to say.