What do you think came first? The chicken or the egg?

What do you think came first? The chicken or the egg?

  • The Chicken

    Votes: 11 57.9%

  • The Egg

    Votes: 8 42.1%

  • I Am Not Sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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Off the top of my head is a white moth that lived in a forest of white barked trees until a fire went threw the forest. After the fire birds were eating the moths because they stould out on the black of the trees. Over a few years time an several generations biologist documented the mouths turn black. Then as the trees healed the mouths again evolved back to white.

Doesn't this support adaptation more than evolution? The moths were still moths, they adapted to their environment in order to survive. Like animals growing more hair/fur in colder climates...

Consider whales then. Inside their bodies they have pelvic bones and vestigial legs. Fossils have been discovered of early whales, showing they evolved from four-legged terrestrial mammals. Over time, environmental influences favored those that were more aquatic. Legs became unnecessary, maybe even a hindrance.
This illustration shows a modern whale skeleton.
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Off the top of my head is a white moth that lived in a forest of white barked trees until a fire went threw the forest. After the fire birds were eating the moths because they stould out on the black of the trees. Over a few years time an several generations biologist documented the mouths turn black. Then as the trees healed the mouths again evolved back to white.

Doesn't this support adaptation more than evolution? The moths were still moths, they adapted to their environment in order to survive. Like animals growing more hair/fur in colder climates...

Adaptation is the functional result of evolution. We're having definition problems again here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation

Also, animals don't "choose" to change in order to survive. Let's go back to the moth example. Say you have a population of 1,000 moths, and they range in color from white to black and every shade in between. If pollution makes their tree bark habitats turn black, all the white moths are going to get eaten, and only the dark grey and black moths are going to be left to reproduce.

Beware the fallacy that tripped up Lamarck
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarck
 
So, let's say these white moths have shades or occasionally have off colored "offspring", the white are more easily spotted by prey leaving a population of "less" white moths that would be the ones producing offsping. As the scenery changes the darker colored moths once again become the most evident and are eaten first and the lighter population starts breeding once again. This is not evolution and barely adaptation, it's more like natural selection.
 
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This is why i tell kids it started with the easter bunny, the bunny laid the egg. hehehe you should see there faces when i say that.
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I don't recall appointing you my proxy in the creation/evolution debate...??? Also, I can't accept that eggs came first so please don't include me in your "both sides" statement. Thank you.

I vote: CHICKEN

Best wishes,
Ed

I don't recall ever trying to be your proxy in anything, least of all this. So please don't take umbridge at the fact I joined in a light-hearted thread in a light-hearted manner, and accuse me of doing so. I neither know you, nor your views. Since you seem to find me objectionable, please skip any posts I may make in future, that way I can't offend you.
thank you.

for everyone who didn't think I was specifically targetting them personally -
<<snipping off the stuff not directed to me per the woman from Wales request that I skip her posts>>

ebwy, I understand that you have some type of resentment towards Jesus Christ that I won't go into here and that you most likely resent what I believe and profess. I comprehend that part. But please, review your quote of yourself above, particularly the underlined portion.

I believe in the Triune God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob so it's no great surprise that I am on the creation side of the creation/evolution debate. If you look at the underlined part of your statement you will in part read "both sides of the creation/evolution debate can accept that eggs came first". The word "Both ", by most English definitions, means "two", you also went a bit further by identifying the two sides. By your wording you are attempting to include me (and most any other creationist) with the evolution side of the debate when you say that "both sides...can accept that eggs came first." I can't accept that. I believe, by faith, that God spoke all of Creation into existence. I believe that to be true to God and even, for what it's worth, that being within my basic human rights that I had to refute your statement and state my position. By the literal wording of your statement you attempted to speak for me. Here is a definition of the word PROXY , if you need it.

You included me in something that I rightfully disagree with and I responded in what I thought was a civil manner.

Now...I know your views and you know mine. I will restrain from responding to any of your future posts per your request, but if I may, I will continue to pray for you and your unborn child as you have requested elsewhere in this message board.

I truly hope that you and your growing family will have a blessed life,
Ed

PS....in case there's any doubt out there, I still pick the CHICKEN.
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