What feather type is this? Not quite frizzle? not quite smooth?

[Blue is my chicken]

Sizzle means frizzle cross frizzle.. according to my current understanding.

https://www.mypetchicken.com/blogs/faqs/what-are-frizzles-sizzles-and-frazzles#:~:text=The other feather type, "sizzle,also curled out and windblown.

This is my understanding of sizzles and the rest of them

 

[Blue is my chicken]

But I did think frizzle to frizzle was called "frazzle" is that wrong or are those words interchangeable? Frazzle/sizzle?

Sizzle means frizzle cross frizzle.. according to my current understanding.

Birds with two frizzling genes are called "frazzles." TWO copies of the frizzling gene can produce problems like an enlarged heart, in addition to poor feather quality produced by doubling those genes.
sizzle combines silkie and frizzle feather types

 

[RememberTheWay]

https://www.mypetchicken.com/blogs/faqs/what-are-frizzles-sizzles-and-frazzles#:~:text=The other feather type, "sizzle,also curled out and windblown.

This is my understanding of sizzles and the rest of them

I had read something different I think. Which had also said that the term "frizzle" is both a feather type and/or a breed? Which that says it is only a feather type?

On these chicks in particular though - I'm not sure where a silkie gene would of come from. And their feathers do not curl out. Which the article said for a sizzle they need to be silkie and curled out?

 

[RememberTheWay]

Here are some marked photos to make the chicks in question a little more clear to anyone else who pulls up this thread. Plus a photo with the exact birds that were used as breeders for these two clutches of chicks. They were two separate hatches, only one of the older chicks is shown in photos though.

 

[RememberTheWay]

Birds with two frizzling genes are called "frazzles." TWO copies of the frizzling gene can produce problems like an enlarged heart, in addition to poor feather quality produced by doubling those genes.
sizzle combines silkie and frizzle feather types

Okay, so my understanding now of sizzle is a silkie feathering gene crossed with a frizzle gene which makes the feather Somewhat silkied but also curled out.

The chicks here do appear to have some kind of possible silkie gene in the feathers but they are not curling outwards. I thought they were smooth feathered to begin with because the curl in toward their bodies like smooth feathers do. At first I thought they just had tattered ends on smooth feathers when they first started to grow out, but now the entire length of the feather has that same appearance to it. It seems to be growing that way and not actually damage to the feather like I had initially thought.

My next question is where could this be coming from in their lines? And should I assume this gene is being carried recessively by the other chicks not showing this feather type?

 

[Blue is my chicken]

Okay, so my understanding now of sizzle is a silkie feathering gene crossed with a frizzle gene which makes the feather Somewhat silkied but also curled out.

The chicks here do appear to have some kind of possible silkie gene in the feathers but they are not curling outwards. I thought they were smooth feathered to begin with because the curl in toward their bodies like smooth feathers do. At first I thought they just had tattered ends on smooth feathers when they first started to grow out, but now the entire length of the feather has that same appearance to it. It seems to be growing that way and not actually damage to the feather like I had initially thought.

My next question is where could this be coming from in their lines? And should I assume this gene is being carried recessively by the other chicks not showing this feather type?

I would assume that it is somewhere in the parents line whether it is the chicks grandparents, great grandparents, etc
And I would assume that all the chicks will carry a that gene but they may never throw it or only every so often or every time they throw it you just don't know (i have some knowledge but not much so i might be wrong)

 

[Blue is my chicken]

I had read something different I think. Which had also said that the term "frizzle" is both a feather type and/or a breed? Which that says it is only a feather type?

On these chicks in particular though - I'm not sure where a silkie gene would of come from. And their feathers do not curl out. Which the article said for a sizzle they need to be silkie and curled out?

Frizzle is a feather type and a breed
oops I posted the wrong article this is the one I ment todo https://silkiechickenexperts.com/bl...characteristics-of-the-frizzle-silkie-chicken

 

[DemeChick]

These are the parents

Looks like two frizzles and one has slight curl.

 

[RememberTheWay]

*UPDATE- THEY DEFINITELY WERE A THIRD FEATHER TYPE! I NOW HAVE FOR CERTAIN SEVERAL CHICKS THAT ARE CONFIRMED SILKIED FEATHERS IN SEVERAL COLORS. ABSOLUTELY THRILLED

 

[Slothinc]

So did you end up with silkied birds out of your smooth birds? That is so awesome so the roo and hens must have been carrying the silkies feather gene! Did any of those end up having the frizzle gene as well? I have a silkie with the frizzle gene and the feathers are kind of weird. I’m going to try to get a pic of him today.