What happens when foxes start eating chickens (graphic)

[Aunt Angus]

I don't know what the law in Croatia is.

I didn't mean to assume, but I did after you'd said he was incorrect. My bad.

 

[mowin]

He just called us disgusting, primitive, and uncivilized.

I'm sure what he really called us was lost in the Google translation. Lol.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

So I have been watching,, but not commenting here.. I do have a small possibility of something that's being miscommunicated on both sides.. if not,, just ignore me.. I'm not trying to argue with anyone

a fox breaks into your chicken coop and attacks your animals - then chase it, catch it and release it into the wild - what's the problem?

I think the issue here is that while commercial breeders may not be too heartbroken about being compensated for their lost birds, if they're pets, it's different.

It's not quite the same, but if a predator killed my pup that was in the yard, I wouldn't want some guy to give me a check for my loss. I'd honestly want an eye for an eye, as wrong as it may seem. Many people view their chickens the same way that people often view their puppies

 

[mowin]

I will gladly answer you, I simply predicted your question (although you probably won't see my answer, because you said you would ignore me)
- If a fox breaks into your chicken coop and attacks your animals - then chase it, catch it and release it into the wild - what's the problem?

The fox in Croatia must be stupid. I'd love to see someone chase a fox and catch it. If you did end up cornering it, you'd have one hell fight on your hands.
Obviously, one caught in netting and exhausted from trying to escape is going to be a different critter altogether.

 

[Aunt Angus]

So I have been watching,, but not commenting here.. I do have a small possibility of something that's being miscommunicated on both sides.. if not,, just ignore me.. I'm not trying to argue with anyone

I think the issue here is that while commercial breeders may not be too heartbroken about being compensated for their lost birds, if they're pets, it's different.

It's not quite the same, but if a predator killed my pup that was in the yard, I wouldn't want some guy to give me a check for my loss. I'd honestly want an eye for an eye, as wrong as it may seem. Many people view their chickens the same way that people often view their puppies

Oh, this. I love my birds so much. My goaties, too. There's no amount of money that would make it ok for me to let them die.

But maybe it is a translation thing. It sounds like you have to  let tte predator kill your chickens and  then call someone to deal with the predator on your behalf. So the fox is dead anyway only now so are your chickens.

Am I the only one reading this?

 

[Geena]

The fox in Croatia must be stupid. I'd love to see someone chase a fox and catch it. If you did end up cornering it, you'd have one hell fight on your hands.
Obviously, one caught in netting and exhausted from trying to escape is going to be a different critter altogether.

That's what I was thinking, chase and catch a fox

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Oh, this. I love my birds so much. My goaties, too. There's no amount of money that would make it ok for me to let them die.

But maybe it is a translation thing. It sounds like you have to  let tte predator kill your chickens and  then call someone to deal with the predator on your behalf. So the fox is dead anyway only now so are your chickens.

Am I the only one reading this?

No, I read it too. And thats why I figured maybe the focus was on commercial breeders who would theoretically be content so long as they made the money they would have by selling the birds

 

[Aunt Angus]

No, I read it too. And thats why I figured maybe the focus was on commercial breeders who would theoretically be content so long as they made the money they would have by selling the birds

I don't think the Croation person is a commercial breeder, though. I think he names his birds and shows them. But maybe I'm wrong.

But even then. I can't imagine saying, "Welp, there's a fox in the coop. Look at it killing all the chickens I raised and can no longer use to sell meat/eggs/chicks/insert purpose here! I'll come back in a few hours when it's gotten its fill. Then I can call a hunting club to kill it and the government to issue my check. I'll just start all over again once that check is cashed. So glad I wasted all of my time just to feed the wildlife instead of my family."

Unless that's the racket: to bill the government for money? Maybe it's more lucrative than actually participating in the poultry market???

 

[ikoCRO]

Oh, this. I love my birds so much. My goaties, too. There's no amount of money that would make it ok for me to let them die.

But maybe it is a translation thing. It sounds like you have to  let tte predator kill your chickens and  then call someone to deal with the predator on your behalf. So the fox is dead anyway only now so are your chickens.

Am I the only one reading this?

I repeat, you seem reasonable to me, so I will try to explain to you again!
- You must not allow a predator to injure your animals! It is strictly forbidden!
- You don't allow him to attack if you properly fence the chicken coop!
- If by some miracle the predator managed to break through your properly protected chicken coop and killed the animals, the state will pay you the damages!

The comparison is like when we put children in a car seat and fasten them with a seat belt! We have protected that child in case of a crash! If we don't put a child in a car seat and fasten him with a seat belt, we are a bad parent and risk the child's life!
Parent - Farmer
Child - animals
Car seat - fence
Collision - Predator
(this is just a comparison, don't write now that I call children animals)

I will not respond to Mr. mowin because from the beginning of the topic he provokes and twists words. Classic forum troll!

 

[Feathers of Eden]

You keep recommending LGDs but they are far from being the answer to everyone's predator problems. They require more room than a lot of people have available, they need to be securely fenced in because they like to roam, they tend to bark a lot and they are not cheap if you take care of them properly.
You also need to train, groom and clean up after them. One would spend way more time, effort and money on the LGD than they would the chickens themselves. It doesn't make good sense for someone that has a dozen or two backyard chickens to get a LGD just to guard them.

The person I recommended LGD has three large dogs(not 24/7 guardians) and active predator problem. Still you think LGD is not answer?

The real problem is that people find some dog that somebody says is LGD and they think ok it is a working LGD.
A real working line LGD does not need training if he has a job that is the same of its ancestor. They do not need to be fenced and are they very low maintenance.
Somewhere else I said in this forum. Two of the LGDs I grew up with never saw a vet other than vaccination. Ever. Never been brushed ,or being walked or trained yet they were amazing(Caucasian Shepherd) .
If they are not healthy and are not low maintenance it is because they are not true LGD.

Meanwhile, yes they bark a lot . That is their job in a way.