What happens when foxes start eating chickens (graphic)

[Aunt Angus]

Although I wrote that I will not write anymore, I will try to answer you, just because you seem reasonable and cultured!
I really don't know which question I didn't answer, I actually gave you a "like" because I agree with you!
Big predators, wolves, bears, mountain lions... there is really little you can do, because they will tear your fence and endanger you and your animals, in that case you can shoot because your life is in danger - the state will pay you the damages!
Smaller predators, foxes, weasels, lynxes... there are effective ways of defense against them and they cannot easily tear the fence (unless it is cheap and of poor quality), there is no reason for them to kill themselves!
More clearly now, how does the law work?
History tells us that people simply torture animals by keeping them in inadequate conditions, small spaces, dirty spaces, unprotected spaces...
If we keep animals in dirty places and directly endanger them with diseases - do you think that this is bad keeping of animals?
If you agree with that, then what is the difference in the fact that you endanger unprotected animals with wild predators?
Dirty habitat and unprotected habitat - it's the same to me!
I'm not so stupid that I judge all Americans based on a few comments on the forum, but look at the comments:

- I find foxes creepy, nice aim!
-Thankfully I don't live in Europe, and have plenty of ammo
-The next few predators I kill, I do so in your honor....
- It depends on what they taste like smoked low and slow.
- Oh, Mr Fox was eliminated last night in your honor. My livestock, thank you for your support.
- I don't need a LGD. I just shoot the predators.

These are the messages of the civilized world?

And what about the German whom I wrote that he is a liar and who has not yet replied to my message why is he lying when he knows that the same law is implemented in Germany!
Why is he obviously lying? Maybe he wants to preserve his good reputation on the forum by lying to you Americans?
I laugh when I read the comments that the fox should have been killed because it was sick anyway, I wonder if they first took it to a laboratory test to confirm its illness, and only then killed it?
Total nonsense!

I believe the German person cannot see your comments anymore as they are ignoring you, which I will do as well, and I suggest others follow suit.

So you will watch a fox killing your chickens if you catch it in the act. I think that is very sad. I don't want compensation from the state. I want my flock alive and well. My birds mean more to me than a few dollars. Fortunately, my animals have not yet been attacked by any predators.

I don't find it particularly cultured or reasonable of you to be so judgmental of a culture you clearly know very little about.

And as for being civilized - killing a few foxes is not wiping out an entire species. I don't kill anything. I just prefer to let folks live their own lives. Most Americans do, too, as we - as a collective - value freedom.

Do you what is truly uncivilized? Ethnic cleansing. That to me is primitive.

 

[Aunt Angus]

I'm afraid you're wrong. There are circumstances under which you are permitted to kill creatures that prey on your livestock.

Maybe you'll answer me, then. This person keeps avoiding my question or not understanding due to a language barrier.

So if this person catches a fox is in the act of killing their flock, they have to stand by and watch it kill their birds and wait for the government to compensate them? That can't be true.

ETA: Maybe that is only true in Croatia? I can't imagine it would be.

 

[Geena]

You are willing to pay for the bills of 3 large dogs that are not up to task in hand but suddenly the bills of LGD is too much?

LGDs will protect your home regardless of your presence or night or day.

LGDs ( working lines) are very cheap to take care of. They are healthy and tough. Two of LGDsI grew up with never saw a vet other than vaccination. There was no reason for them to need a vet.

You keep recommending LGDs but they are far from being the answer to everyone's predator problems. They require more room than a lot of people have available, they need to be securely fenced in because they like to roam, they tend to bark a lot and they are not cheap if you take care of them properly.
You also need to train, groom and clean up after them. One would spend way more time, effort and money on the LGD than they would the chickens themselves. It doesn't make good sense for someone that has a dozen or two backyard chickens to get a LGD just to guard them.

 

[Geena]

These are the messages of the civilized world?

Those are the messages of people who are deliberately provoking you because you are being so stubborn and narrow minded.
Croatia - 21,851 sq miles
USA - 3,717,813 sq miles
We are a very large and very diverse country. There are many areas here where certain types of animals are extremely overpopulated and they need to be thinned out for the sake of the animals themselves, because overpopulation leads to disease and starvation. Foxes are one of those animals.
Personally I love foxes, we have a lot of them on our property and for the most part they are not a problem. But if they are desperate enough to risk coming up into my yard or coop area during waking hours, they will be killed, either by my dogs or my 22.
That is not uncivilized, it's actually very much like natural selection in action. Those that are apparently unable to survive well in their own environment get culled. If you truly cared about and understood the wild animals you would realize that while harsh, it's for the greater good in the end.

 

[Poultrybonkers]

In the states well...new york anyways your suppose to actually have a hunting licences to shoot foxes and they are not suppose to be shot out of season...but no one follows that rule. Ive taken the tails from three before. I didnt shoot them though. Unless they try to get in my pens seen digging under but whatever it was prolly was getting rats that was under it. I use to trap regularly....now I dont because I just dont care to. And right now foxes aint my problem rats where..but hopefully poison solved that issue.

 

[mowin]

In the states well...new york anyways your suppose to actually have a hunting licences to shoot foxes and they are not suppose to be shot out of season...but no one follows that rule. Ive taken the tails from three before. I didnt shoot them though. Unless they try to get in my pens seen digging under but whatever it was prolly was getting rats that was under it. I use to trap regularly....now I dont because I just dont care to. And right now foxes aint my problem rats where..but hopefully poison solved that issue.

I'm in NY also. Your correct, kinda. Yes you need a small game hunting license to hunt fox, coyotes, bobcat, ECT in there respective seasons. You DO NOT need a hunting license to shoot and kill predators activity after your livestock at anytime of yr. The key word is actively. A predator that is digging at the edge of your coop/run, or chasing livestock is legal to kill yr round, no license needed. One walking through your property is not legal to kill yr round. I've had many predators on the outside of my fences just passing through, they get a pass. They jump the fence and start after my livestock, they are shot.

 

[Aunt Angus]

Those are the messages of people who are deliberately provoking you because you are being so stubborn and narrow minded.
Croatia - 21,851 sq miles
USA - 3,717,813 sq miles
We are a very large and very diverse country. There are many areas here where certain types of animals are extremely overpopulated and they need to be thinned out for the sake of the animals themselves, because overpopulation leads to disease and starvation. Foxes are one of those animals.
Personally I love foxes, we have a lot of them on our property and for the most part they are not a problem. But if they are desperate enough to risk coming up into my yard or coop area during waking hours, they will be killed, either by my dogs or my 22.
That is not uncivilized, it's actually very much like natural selection in action. Those that are apparently unable to survive well in their own environment get culled. If you truly cared about and understood the wild animals you would realize that while harsh, it's for the greater good in the end.

So true! My state alone is many times the size of that country and far more geographically diverse.

But I strongly suggest everyone ignore this person from Croatia. They appear intolerant and willfully ignorant.

 

[BarnyardChaos]

But I strongly suggest everyone ignore this person from Croatia. They appear intolerant and willfully ignorant.

@ikoCRO has provided much good information in previous threads. His intro post says his name is Ivan, and he appears to be knowledgeable in a few valuable topics. Just like several members here tried to get him to respect the opinions of others, shouldn't we also respect his opinion? I wouldn't tolerate personal attacks, so if that character trait is what's bugging you, then ignore him. I'll choose to overlook it, for now.

Don't block or ignore him just because you don't like his opinions, however stubborn and narrow-minded they may be.

 

[mowin]

@ikoCRO has provided much good information in previous threads. His intro post says his name is Ivan, and he appears to be knowledgeable in a few valuable topics. Just like several members here tried to get him to respect the opinions of others, shouldn't we also respect his opinion? I wouldn't tolerate personal attacks, so if that character trait is what's bugging you, then ignore him. I'll choose to overlook it, for now.

Don't block or ignore him just because you don't like his opinions, however stubborn and narrow-minded they may be.

He has proven his inability to respect others. Calling people liars, uncivilized, and should be banned from owning livestock.
I'm sorry, but this type of arrogance should not be tolerated and IMO he should get a permanent vacation from BYC.
Yes I could block him, but that's not my style.

 

[Geena]

@ikoCRO has provided much good information in previous threads. His intro post says his name is Ivan, and he appears to be knowledgeable in a few valuable topics. Just like several members here tried to get him to respect the opinions of others, shouldn't we also respect his opinion? I wouldn't tolerate personal attacks, so if that character trait is what's bugging you, then ignore him. I'll choose to overlook it, for now.

Don't block or ignore him just because you don't like his opinions, however stubborn and narrow-minded they may be.

I agree, this person is not a troll, just someone with a differing opinion. I enjoy seeing other people's opinions, whether I agree with them or not. It's the spice of life, and provides for a thought provoking discussion that might somehow be helpful to others. The lying/liar thing, while certainly not very nice, doesn't bother me. I've seen waaaay worse things than that on here