What in the world??? I thought they were professional horse trainers!!

[chickenzoo]

I like Clinton Anderson, although lately he has gotten more commercial, but heck, people have to make a living I guess and if someone paid me $$$$ everytime for saying a horse trailers name that I liked, well I'd be saying it A LOT too... LOL. I went to a few Parrelli events and I felt is was more circus like and after the shows they really pushed their equipment hard....... that really bothered me. I didn't care for how long the story was of how they met... yada yada yada.... just get to the point and show me already...... hehe I find Andersons's methods easy to understand, easy to remember and it works well with my horses and others I have trained with. Plus he has a way of making it fun and easy to remember. You can be the best horseman in the world, but if you can't explain it to people - you're limited. So if anyone finds a method that works for them and their horse, and it is safe and easy to understand....and remember( my problem) , go for it. : )

 

[michickenwrangler]

I do like Clinton Anderson, but the Featherlite Trailers and Wahl Clippers do get in the way a bit of his smooth Aussie accent

One clinician I cannot listen to for any length of time is Dennis Reis--for God's sake man! OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND EE-NUN-SEE-ATE!

 

[welsummerchicks]

froggiesheins, the bottom line is that all horses are just not trained alike. And so they can't be handled the same way by the next owner or the next handler.

That one where he or Linda Peperoni were getting after the British show jumper's horse who wouldn't let him bridle him - we laughed our tails off at that one. I could barely keep from peeing myself. Talk about making a mess of something. I can just imagine the Brothers Whittaker, going through the barn and settling on which horse to send him to do the demo on LOL!

We ran into a guy once, who handled horses like parelli and he came up to our barn to pick up an event horse, a great big warmblood about 4 yrs old and hot as a two dollar pistol and twice as fit.

Now of course I had someone else egging me on, a smarty pants seventeen year old rich kid, pa was some diplomat or something so that kid knew no fear, I should have tackled her at the start.

But this guy couldn't get this filly into his trailer. Well the horse would get part way on and then come tearing out a hundred miles an hour, bashing its head and slamming into the trailer and everything. This happened, oh, fifty or sixty times. The horse was getting out of its mind, the guy was getting mad and starting to take it out on the horse by time TWO.

Well, I'm senile and I can't remember all of it, it was long ago, but basically, the teenager yelled out, 'I think the problem is you're giving her too much practice in gettin' OFF the trailer. She needs to practice gettin' ON'. Then the kid walked over and loaded the horse. Stood there in there in the trailer for a while, then backed her off, did her about SIX times.

Then takes the horse out, walks over to the guy, hands him the lead rope and says, 'See, she needed practice getting ON, not OFF'. All the funny images aside this was about working a horse a way it knows, instead of trying to change it instantly to some other way.

Come to think of it, I was right in there helpin' and goin' 'yup! yup!' when she said that. The only thing I disagreed on was, let's leave after we put the horse IN the trailer, not after we take it out.

People just have to work with the horse, with what it knows, and how it's been worked with. It's not going to instantly change.

 

[shadowpaints]

just saw this thread.... WOW i never have been fond of parelli... for one the halter is on too low so its not correct for the pressure points. i like natural horse manship... but i prefer Clinton Anderson

 

[michickenwrangler]

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VERY true. I love watching Saddlebreds do western pleasure and when I mentioned that once at a small local show, people asked "SADDLEBREDS do WESTERN pleasure??!!" Honestly, the way they hold their necks high and arched and prance at the jog is just so pretty.

Endurance riders don't want the head down, but they do want the horse to stretch out with its body and reach down in frame, though not exactly on the bit. A super fast slightly extended trot is fine for them to cover 25+ miles with.

Now a dressage rider will have an apoplexy if they saw a horse trotting like that. "It's not TRUE extension." No, not in the dressage world but for clipping over hills and trails, it's fine.

Most western pleasure riders when they see me trot at 12mph on my snappy little Arab/Saddlebred say "That is not something I would ever do" while slugging along at a jog or mincing along at a lope would bore me to tears

Gaited horse people don't even want to mess with the whole trotting thing

 

[welsummerchicks]

No dressage rider with any sense would have a fit over the endurance horse trot.

Now if you told them that same trot is exactly a dressage extended trot and they should do their dressage horse that away, because it would score a top score at the Olympics in dressage, they would probably say, no don't think so, if you was buyin', otherwise not say nuttin'.

I'm not sure how I got on this kick of using apostrophes. It'll pass.

 

[chickenzoo]

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LOL.... yep!

I have trouble hearing anyway, and not being able to read DR's lips under that wild mustache and not hearing straight what he's saying drives me nuts, hehe

 

[welsummerchicks]

That boy talks so low I thought for years his name was Nis Ice, and he was a rapper like Ice T and Ice Cold.

Aside from that, it appears that compared to all the Natural Horsemanship colt breakers, the one who keeps the heart rate of the horses the steadiest (and hence probably their stress level) is that feller Endospink that throws the horses onto the ground with his 'Tap', climbs on them on a bareback pad while they're lying down, and then lets them run around.

 

[michickenwrangler]

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Now who is this?

Sounds like that one scene in The Horse Whisperer

 

[welsummerchicks]

No I won't say who that HW scene was supposed to be about. Because I forgot. LOL. Lemme wiki up - Tom Dorrance, Ray Hunt, Buck Branaman.

What's Endo's name? Endospink that's all I remember. First name Paul...erm....Williamson. Track breaker. Works for a big outfit in Japan right now I think.

This is my favorite video of him( and by 'favorite' I am not saying I would do this or that I 'like' what he does) :

oh no, can't link that one, a non family friendly word is said in it.

no...not that one either. Here's....no. Here's...no.

Sorry there is not one single video that does not have non family friendly words, music lyrics, commenters comments, or commenter's names.

Well here's one -

ANYWAY. People have been throwing horses so they could handle them easier for a long, long time, this guy makes no bones about it, he's an old traditional type mostly. Not too much big fancy chatter about it.