What kind of prices are good for a pair of young Bourbon Reds?

chickensducks&agoose :

I think it's a heritage breed, not a commercial kind of bird. I paid SICK amounts of money last T-day for an organic, free range, heritage turkey.. and this year I'm growing my own! though apparently I won't save money... :p

A heritage turkey is defined by the ALBC (American Livestock Breeds Conservancy) as

The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy's
Definition of a Heritage Turkey
All domesticated turkeys descend from wild turkeys indigenous to North and South America. They are the quintessential American poultry. For centuries people have raised turkeys for food and for the joy of having them.

Many different varieties have been developed to fit different purposes. Turkeys were selected for productivity and for specific color patterns to show off the bird’s beauty. The American Poultry Association (APA) lists eight varieties of turkeys in its Standard of Perfection. Most were accepted into the Standard in the last half of the 19th century, with a few more recent additions. They are Black, Bronze, Narragansett, White Holland, Slate, Bourbon Red, Beltsville Small White, and Royal Palm. The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy also recognizes other naturally mating color varieties that have not been accepted into the APA Standard, such as the Jersey Buff, White Midget, and others. All of these varieties are Heritage Turkeys.

Heritage turkeys are defined by the historic, range-based production system in which they are raised. Turkeys must meet all of the following criteria to qualify as a Heritage turkey:

1. Naturally mating: the Heritage Turkey must be reproduced and genetically maintained through natural mating, with expected fertility rates of 70-80%. This means that turkeys marketed as “heritage” must be the result of naturally mating pairs of both grandparent and parent stock.

2. Long productive outdoor lifespan: the Heritage Turkey must have a long productive lifespan. Breeding hens are commonly productive for 5-7 years and breeding toms for 3-5 years. The Heritage Turkey must also have a genetic ability to withstand the environmental rigors of outdoor production systems.

3. Slow growth rate: the Heritage Turkey must have a slow to moderate rate of growth. Today’s heritage turkeys reach a marketable weight in about 28 weeks, giving the birds time to develop a strong skeletal structure and healthy organs prior to building muscle mass. This growth rate is identical to that of the commercial varieties of the first half of the 20th century.

Beginning in the mid-1920s and extending into the 1950s turkeys were selected for larger size and greater breast width, which resulted in the development of the Broad Breasted Bronze. In the 1950s, poultry processors began to seek broad breasted turkeys with less visible pinfeathers, as the dark pinfeathers, which remained in the dressed bird, were considered unattractive. By the 1960s the Large or Broad Breasted White had been developed, and soon surpassed the Broad Breasted Bronze in the marketplace.
Today’s commercial turkey is selected to efficiently produce meat at the lowest possible cost. It is an excellent converter of feed to breast meat, but the result of this improvement is a loss of the bird’s ability to successfully mate and produce fertile eggs without intervention. Both the Broad Breasted White and the Broad Breasted Bronze turkey require artificial insemination to produce fertile eggs.

Interestingly, the turkey known as the Broad Breasted Bronze in the early 1930s through the late 1950s is nearly identical to today’s Heritage Bronze turkey – both being naturally mating, productive, long-lived, and requiring 26-28 weeks to reach market weight. This early Broad Breasted Bronze is very different from the modern turkey of the same name. The Broad Breasted turkey of today has traits that fit modern, genetically controlled, intensively managed, efficiency-driven farming. While superb at their job, modern Broad Breasted Bronze and Broad Breasted White turkeys are not Heritage Turkeys. Only naturally mating turkeys meeting all of the above criteria are Heritage Turkeys.

Prepared by Frank Reese, owner & breeder, Good Shepherd Farm; Marjorie Bender, Research & Technical Program Manager, American Livestock Breeds Conservancy; Dr. Scott Beyer, Department Chair, Poultry Science, Kansas State University; Dr. Cal Larson, Professor Emeritus, Poultry Science, Virginia Tech; Jeff May, Regional Manager & Feed Specialist, Dawes Laboratories; Danny Williamson, farmer and turkey breeder, Windmill Farm; Paula Johnson, turkey breeder, and Steve Pope, Promotion & Chef, Good Shepherd Farm.


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Turkeys aren't native to Europe, they were taken back by the early explorers. Both the Spanish and British sent them back. The White and Black were native to the Southwest US and Mexico. The Whites were very popular and were bred in the Netherlands then called Holland were called White Hollands. after that they were brought back to the colonies by the settlers. The Black's were also bred and brought back. Once here they were bred with Eastern Wilds and one of the first varieties was the Narriganset.

From feathersite.

The American Poultry Association proudly claims that all turkey varieties listed in its standard, with the possible exception of the White Holland, were developed in the United States. The claim may be a bit too bold. While American origin can be claimed for all turkeys, some colors weren't developed in the U.S., including some that were probably developed in Europe.

The Black, sometimes called Black Spanish or Norfolk Black, is one of these. As its other names indicate, the Spanish and English also claim its development. However, Blacks were probably among the first turkeys sent to Spain, perhaps because they were a rarity in their own land. This was probably the case with whites too. Black or mostly Black turkeys were mentioned by early explorers but don't seem to have been the dominant type anywhere. They did better in the Old World, quickly becoming the dominant type in Spain and Norfolk County, England. They were also common in the rest of England as well as in France and Italy. In this country, flocks referred to as Norfolk Black are usually marked with white as the original Norfolk Blacks often were. Today, in England this color is found on Longer Right Breasts, while the Norfolks are completely black.

Sharon
 
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turkeys love grasshoppers! back in the old days we would take a flock of turkeys 100/150 out to the hay fields to eat grass hoppers , farmer would pay us to move the flock from one end to the other! slowly you just trail behind them, keep them out of trouble, I carryed a 22 rifle,hawks/coyotes! 3 bucks a hour I think plus shells, the mink farmer gave us 25 cents a rat or crow and a nickel for starling! to feed the mink tom!!!
 
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chickensducks&agoose :

one of my buyers fell through, so I'm stuck with 5 turkeys instead of 2... If I can sell 2 as a PAIR, I might have better luck selling them.. but I have no idea what kind of price to ask... and how long I'll have to wait for them to be distinguishable... gender wise.

I paid $25ea for a pair of 10 month old Narragansetts listed on craigslist in January in Montpelier. I've seen turkeys (royal palm I think?) for as much as $50 each. You could always start by asking more and lower the price if you can't sell them.

I think it will be several weeks before you'll be able to sex them. At about 3 or 4 weeks I noticed that my tom had a bigger snood, but if wind up with all the same sex it may take even longer to sex them. I think it was six weeks before I felt confident about who was who and probably nine weeks or so before I was sure.... Not sure when the feather differences become apparent on BRs.​
 

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