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Coolest Rabbit Breed Out Of These?

  • Holland Lop

    Votes: 108 21.3%
  • English Spot

    Votes: 14 2.8%
  • American Fuzzy Lop

    Votes: 11 2.2%
  • Mini Rex/Rex

    Votes: 107 21.1%
  • New Zealand

    Votes: 95 18.7%
  • Polish

    Votes: 13 2.6%
  • English Lop

    Votes: 33 6.5%
  • Mini Satins/Satins

    Votes: 14 2.8%
  • Lionhead

    Votes: 112 22.1%

  • Total voters
    507
Hi! I'm new to the bunny thread! I have had chickens for a while now, but have just recently gotten into bunnies. We have: 2 Mini Rex, a Black Otter buck & a blue eyed Broken Chocolate doe, 2 Holland Lops, a Blue Tort buck & a BEW doe, and 4 Mini Lops, a Broken Agouti buck, a Broken Agouti doe, an Agouti doe & a Broken Steel (gold tipped) doe. All of the Mini Lops & the BEW Holland are pedigreed.
 
Hi!  I'm new to the bunny thread!  I have had chickens for a while now, but have just recently gotten into bunnies.  We have:  2 Mini Rex, a Black Otter buck & a blue eyed Broken Chocolate doe, 2 Holland Lops, a Blue Tort buck & a BEW doe, and 4 Mini Lops, a Broken Agouti buck, a Broken Agouti doe, an Agouti doe & a Broken Steel (gold tipped) doe.  All of the Mini Lops & the BEW Holland are pedigreed.


Welcome to the bunny thread. This is a great thread. I first had chickens and then got just two rabbits, but a week later one had a litter of three. Two died and I had to hand raise the third one starting at about six days. This thread kept me and my baby alive. These are very nice and very knowledgeable people.
 
That's because of how color genes work. It's actually quite telling of her genetics.
The colors are a different gene than the pattern. So if the black gene is dominant to the white gene it means that if you have a buck with a recessive color (like white) and a doe with a dominant color (like black) you'll always get the dominant color every time. In this case, black is dominant to white because white is the absence of all pigment, and having even a little black gene in there means it always comes out black. (Laymens terms.)

But the pattern basically says "BTWs, the color gene doesn't activate in these areas" and that's totally different. So when you breed in a patterned buck, sometimes you'll get patches, and the color will be whatever the color genetics say it is. So if you mixed in a doe brown rabbit you could get a rabbit with brown patches out of a black patched buck. Or something completely different and muddled color wise in patches like a steel, brindle or castor. But regardless, whatever color the genetics say the coat would be as a solid is the same color that will show up in the patches on the coat.

It sounds to me like your doe may carry the gene for broken colors and needs another broken carrier (or in the case of you buck, a double broken carrier) to express it in the offspring because it's recessive. So if you breed a buck with double solid color genes to her (like the white rabbit) you'll always get solids. If you breed another carrier of broken to her you will get half-and-half, and if you breed a broken to her you will get MOSTLY broken, but the occasional solid rabbit.

Don't even get me started on the agouti gene...

She could make a good test doe to see what color pattern genetics your bucks carry.

(Sorry, spent two years studying coat genetics in dogs. :p )

Only some of what applies to dog genetics translates into rabbits.
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The broken gene in rabbits is dominant, so breeding this doe to anything other than a Broken won't get you Brokens. The exception to that, of course, is the REW (Ruby-eyed White) that happens to carry the broken gene. REW's have no pigment anywhere in their coats, so you can't tell what the other genes they carry may code for. Unless a REW has a Broken parent or throws Broken offspring, you'd have no reason to think one had the broken gene - and most of them don't. Offhand, I'd say starlingsbaby's REW buck probably doesn't carry the broken gene.

I once had a REW Holland Lop doe that I jokingly referred to as a "Broken REW." She was solid white, of course, and at first, I had no idea that she had the broken gene. I had a Smoke Pearl buck that I bred her to, and in their first two litters, all of the kits were either Smoke Pearls or REW's. In their third litter, one of the kits was clearly a Broken Smoke Pearl. Where did that come from? I even (briefly) wondered if I had bred her to a different buck, until I remembered that her father was a Broken. You couldn't see the action of the broken gene in her coat because it was all white, but she carried the broken gene.

Some people get confused about what the percentages mean in genetics. For example, a typical Broken patterned rabbit has one Broken gene, and one non-broken gene. A solid colored rabbit has two non-broken genes. When you breed a Broken to a solid, each baby has a 50/50 chance of getting the broken gene from that Broken parent. That does NOT mean that half of the babies will be Brokens. It's kind of like flipping a coin. If you flipped the same coin 3 times, it could come up "heads" all three times, and that would be perfectly normal. If you flipped it 100 times, it would be strange if it came up heads all 100 times (assuming it's not a 2-headed coin), but it probably wouldn't come up "heads" exactly 50 times. It might come up "heads" 70 times, or 30 times, and that is still quite reasonable. If you flipped that coin 1000 times, you'd probably get something close to 500 "heads" and 500 "tails," because with a big enough sample group, it all averages out. If you could breed a Broken to a Solid enough times to produce 1000 babies, roughly half would be Brokens, but in a sample group as small as one litter, or even the entire production of a particular pair in their lifetimes, the results could be a long way off from "half Brokens, half Solids," and still be perfectly normal.
 
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Please post pics!:) I raise holland lops netherland dwarfs and lionheads!:)
Hi!  I'm new to the bunny thread!  I have had chickens for a while now, but have just recently gotten into bunnies.  We have:  2 Mini Rex, a Black Otter buck & a blue eyed Broken Chocolate doe, 2 Holland Lops, a Blue Tort buck & a BEW doe, and 4 Mini Lops, a Broken Agouti buck, a Broken Agouti doe, an Agouti doe & a Broken Steel (gold tipped) doe.  All of the Mini Lops & the BEW Holland are pedigreed.
 
Ah, I was making the broken sub assumption because of how many kits came out broken. But yes, you're right it's pretty random and there's no guarantee of color/pattern either way.
 
Thank you for the welcomes!!
I'll try to get some up soon!
We are bit confused right now as to if our Holland buck is a blue or black Tort....LOL Hopefully I can get some pictures up & ya'll can help me!
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Hey, Orps!
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I think your doe would be considered a Vienna Carrier (VC) since, having produced BEW offspring, she must have the Vienna gene even though you can't see it expressed in her. VC's are not exactly rare, but they are pretty unusual. They do have an advantage over the VM's, in that they are showable.

Seriously, though, there really isn't a "brown-eyed gene." There's the Vienna gene (V), and the non-Vienna gene (v). As you know, a rabbit that has two copies of the Vienna gene is a white rabbit with blue eyes, and a rabbit that has two copies of the non-Vienna gene can be any other color except BEW. It's those rabbits that have one Vienna gene, and one non-Vienna gene (Vv), that get so confusing. The vast majority wind up looking something like Dutch rabbits, with white feet, a blaze on their faces, maybe even a white belt across their shoulders. Some, though, have much less white, maybe just a couple of white toes or a white snip on the nose. They may have blue eyes, brown eyes, or even one of each. And then there are the VC's, that show no signs of the Vienna gene at all, though they obviously have it. I have seen a few different explanations of how the gene can only affect some, but not all, of the rabbit's coat like it does, but that gets pretty technical. As to why one rabbit should wind up with a lot of white, and another with very little white or none at all - my best guess is that there may be modifiers that affect how the gene gets expressed, just as there are with other patterns. The modifiers may not even be genes.
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Made a play yard for the bunnies this morning. I'm sitting outside supervising and reading the paper. I fenced off the area where I grow grasses for the chickens and bunnies. They made a tunnel and are running in and out and all around, kicking up their hind feet and twirling in the air. Great bunny watching.

This is the area. If you look hard you can see Lela the white bunny coming out the end of the grass.
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Here is GinGin in the grass.
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Hey, Orps!
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I think your doe would be considered a Vienna Carrier (VC) since, having produced BEW offspring, she must have the Vienna gene even though you can't see it expressed in her. VC's are not exactly rare, but they are pretty unusual. They do have an advantage over the VM's, in that they are showable.

Seriously, though, there really isn't a "brown-eyed gene." There's the Vienna gene (V), and the non-Vienna gene (v). As you know, a rabbit that has two copies of the Vienna gene is a white rabbit with blue eyes, and a rabbit that has two copies of the non-Vienna gene can be any other color except BEW. It's those rabbits that have one Vienna gene, and one non-Vienna gene (Vv), that get so confusing. The vast majority wind up looking something like Dutch rabbits, with white feet, a blaze on their faces, maybe even a white belt across their shoulders. Some, though, have much less white, maybe just a couple of white toes or a white snip on the nose. They may have blue eyes, brown eyes, or even one of each. And then there are the VC's, that show no signs of the Vienna gene at all, though they obviously have it. I have seen a few different explanations of how the gene can only affect some, but not all, of the rabbit's coat like it does, but that gets pretty technical. As to why one rabbit should wind up with a lot of white, and another with very little white or none at all - my best guess is that there may be modifiers that affect how the gene gets expressed, just as there are with other patterns. The modifiers may not even be genes.
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i was looking at her today and in her right eye is half blue and half brown and her VM Kits have brown eyes also
 

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