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[SternRose]

After several generations of careful selection, you might manage it, but in one generation, no. The gene for the Rex coat is recessive, so if you breed a Rex to a rabbit with a normal coat, the babies will all have normal coats. You would have to breed the resulting babies to something that also had the Rex gene to see Rex coats, so just getting the Rex coat would take 2 generations. Mini Rex type and Holland Lop type are very, very different; they are even posed differently. It would probably take several generations to get that big, round Lop head back if you outcrossed to something with a head as narrow as a Mini Rex. Incidentally, some folks are working on a small Lop with a Rex coat; they call it the Velveteen Lop. It's kind of like a scaled-down English Lop; the type is closer to a Mini Rex than a Holland:

Hmm, thanks for that info! It sounds like a challenge I'll enjoy! Jet the Rex Coat then breed for Structure... Some of my Mr/ml crosses have Mini Lop structure but Mini Rex furring. Not 100% but pretty close to 50%

 

[sideWing]

This is a beginner genetic color chart I give rex folks. But genotypes apply to all breeds (sometimes a different name though). If it isn't self explanatory just ask questions.

Thank you Sheri this is a big help.

 

[sideWing]

This is a beginner genetic color chart I give rex folks. But genotypes apply to all breeds (sometimes a different name though). If it isn't self explanatory just ask questions.


 

So it looks like Siamese Sable and Sable point are both cchl and other factors change the expression of the color? 

 

[Bunnylady]

Siamese Sable is Cchl plus either ch or c. The genes of the C series are a sort of sliding scale; how they look depends on what they are paired with. A rabbit with two copies of the shaded allele (cchlcchl) is a seal. Shaded paired with ch (called pointed white, himi or cali, depending on the breed) gives you a rabbit with a darker body color than one that has c (Ruby-eyed White) as the "other" member of the pair.

Sable Point is the shaded combination in the C series (cchlch or cchlc), plus non-extension (ee) in the E series. Non-extension is the most recessive allele in the E series; it's what gives you orange, red, fawn, and tort.

 

[sideWing]

Siamese Sable is Cchl plus either ch or c. The genes of the C series are a sort of sliding scale; how they look depends on what they are paired with. A rabbit with two copies of the shaded allele (cchlcchl) is a seal. Shaded paired with ch (called pointed white, himi or cali, depending on the breed) gives you a rabbit with a darker body color than one that has c (Ruby-eyed White) as the "other" member of the pair.

Sable Point is the shaded combination in the C series (cchlch or cchlc), plus non-extension (ee) in the E series. Non-extension is the most recessive allele in the E series; it's what gives you orange, red, fawn, and tort.

That is where I was headed with my thinking. Thank you for filling in the blanks. I wondered about the sliding scale as so many sables are different shades. I added their pic above to my previous post. They look the same and all seem to have darker ears, tail and feet.

Thank you Buynnylady!

 

[Bunnylady]

You're welcome!

I have this theory that the rabbits put their heads together when I'm not there and ask themselves, "how can we drive her crazy today?" There is nothing more crazy-making than the C series. As if the interaction of the various alleles wasn't enough, some of them are temperature-sensitive. Most people know that the points on the pointed white/himis darken and lighten, grow and shrink, depending on the temperature; shadeds do it too. I once had a Siamese Sable Jersey Wooly doe that pulled fur like nobody's business. She'd start about 10 days before her litter was due, and by the time they were born, the cage would be swimming in wool, and she'd be nearly bald. There'd be a little mohawk of hair right along her spine; the rest of her body would be completely bare. I even took her in the house one time because it was cool weather, and I was afraid she'd freeze to death. All that cool air on her skin made her hair grow back in nearly black, with the hair that hadn't been pulled its usual brown shades - lemme tell you, that was a crazy looking paint job!

Your kits look good - that triangle of longer hair on the backs of the double-maned Lionheads takes a little getting used to, doesn't it? And is it just my computer, or do some of those kits' ears look more bluish than tan/brownish?

 

[sideWing]

You're welcome!

I have this theory that the rabbits put their heads together when I'm not there and ask themselves, "how can we drive her crazy today?" There is nothing more crazy-making than the C series. As if the interaction of the various alleles wasn't enough, some of them are temperature-sensitive. Most people know that the points on the pointed white/himis darken and lighten, grow and shrink, depending on the temperature; shadeds do it too. I once had a Siamese Sable Jersey Wooly doe that pulled fur like nobody's business. She'd start about 10 days before her litter was due, and by the time they were born, the cage would be swimming in wool, and she'd be nearly bald. There'd be a little mohawk of hair right along her spine; the rest of her body would be completely bare. I even took her in the house one time because it was cool weather, and I was afraid she'd freeze to death. All that cool air on her skin made her hair grow back in nearly black, with the hair that hadn't been pulled its usual brown shades - lemme tell you, that was a crazy looking paint job!

Your kits look good - that triangle of longer hair on the backs of the double-maned Lionheads takes a little getting used to, doesn't it? And is it just my computer, or do some of those kits' ears look more bluish than tan/brownish?

A mohawk! Now that would be something to see. I was almost alarmed at the amount of fur this girl pulled, but it was nothing like that.

I wondered about the triangle, now I know. I have hatched many geckos and some chicks, but I'm learning a lot on this first rabbit birth. Leos is where I learned a little about genes. They are not as complicated though with the color, pattern, and fur length and so on. This is a lot of fun.

I wondered about the blue. They are a blue/grey but more on the blue side right now. I guess I assumed they would grow out of it. A few more days will be very revealing I think. Or at least I hope.

 

[shadow rabbit10]

Can rabbits transit any major diseases to humans? I was giving my rabbit some sub-q (under the skin) fluids (with the discretion of my vet. The rabbit is sick and when I was changing the needle, I accidentally pierced my finger with it. It was used on her, so should I be worried about getting anything or was washing it fine?

 

[sideWing]

Can rabbits transit any major diseases to humans? I was giving my rabbit some sub-q (under the skin) fluids (with the discretion of my vet. The rabbit is sick and when I was changing the needle, I accidentally pierced my finger with it. It was used on her, so should I be worried about getting anything or was washing it fine?

Interesting question. I'm bumping this for you because I'm interested about the answer.

I'm sure you did a quick google search like I did. I found this.

Edit: I don't mean to panic you. I'm sure the odds of your rabbit having something transmittable is nearly zero. Just trying to add something and bump the post.

This past spring media attention was drawn to an instance where a man was infected with tularemia after making direct, physical contact with rabbit blood. (He had killed a wild rabbit with a lawnmower.) Tularemia is a bacterial disease that can infect humans. It is easily treated with antibiotics. Tularemia occurs in both the U.S. and Canada. The most common cause of human infection is from direct contact with blood or flesh of wild rabbits (for example, skinning and eating wild rabbit meat). A person can also be infected by a tularemia-infected tick or mosquito, or by breathing tularemia-infected dust.

http://www.rabbit.org/health/exotic-diseases.html

Was the rabbit you were treating sick with anything specific?

 

[shadow rabbit10]

Interesting, but my rabbit is not wild, so that doesn't concern me too much. Unfrotunately, we think she is sick with something terminal (nothing is showing up on x-rays and it's not contagious). It's been two days now, and my finger seems fine, but I just wanted to be sure.