What to do when my hen begins to crow?!?

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I have a 14 week old black orpington, who I believe is crossed with Cochin, who began to crow this morning. We have always feared her being a roo as she is much larger and more aggressive than her lavender sister who we were told is the same age. She is also the one who calls the shots in the hen house. Ihad her to the vet about a month ago and he calmed my fears by saying she was in fact a she, until this morning. Full on crow at 5:15am. The biggest issue is our city ordinance prohibits roosters in our neighborhood so I'm afraid I can't provide her the luxury of time to , ahem, work it out. Here are some pics of my Fiona. Can anyone for sure tell me she is a little lady? This is my first experience with chickens. Any suggestions on how to keep her quiet?

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You might want to check out our forum for guessing gender and breed, here. There are no doubt some pics there that should help. I'm not very good at this, but that comb and wattles are pretty red for that age -- and a crow is pretty obvious.

There really isn't a way to keep a rooster quiet. How do your neighbors feel about it? Sometimes the problem is solved when it turns out they dont mind, especially if you share your eggs with them.
 
That is absolutely a rooster, sorry. You need to be respectful of your neighbors and find him a new home, soonest.
 
Thanks to you both.

Donrae, can you point out to me how you can tell she is a rooster for my own learning curve?
 
Sure. The first key is the age and crowing. Folks will go on and on about crowing hens, and it can happen, but it's older hens with hormonal imbalances as a rule. Any 14 week bird that crows is just flat a rooster.

Second is comb size and color. That is about as much comb as a mature laying hen of either of those breeds would have. A 14 week cochin hen has virtually no comb, and orpingtons aren't known for huge combs, either. That much size and color at this age is the key to gender.

Third is hackle feathers. The body shot isn't great, and with two slow maturing breeds they're maybe just coming in, but in the head close up I can see longer, shiny feathers. They are hackle feathers and on hens just look like the rest of the feathers on the body. Roosters grow these long, pointy, beautiful hackle feathers as part of their whole "look how beautiful I am, don't you want to make babies with me" image.
 
I agree 100% with donrae on this one. Those hackle feathers are pretty distinct.

Isn't it amazing how absolutely clueless most vets are about poultry?
 
I have a 14 week old black orpington, who I believe is crossed with Cochin, who began to crow this morning. We have always feared her being a roo as she is much larger and more aggressive than her lavender sister who we were told is the same age. She is also the one who calls the shots in the hen house.

This suggests it is in fact a female whose hormones have gone awol, since roosters don't call the shots over hens; the dominant hen does. Some males though always get mixed up in girlfights. And maybe it's just a confused boy who didn't know what gender he is until recently. From the photo, it sure looks male. Those neck feathers did not appear in one month flat, I'd bet. If you compare those neck hackles to a female of the same age or any mature age, you won't find identical ones.

There are two mature types of neck hackling for hens; one is similar to a rooster, but has less fringe to it; it's shiny but not quite as glossy; the other is plain juvenile style feathers, but the fanciest feathers are reserved for males. Your chook is sporting typically male feathers. By now you should be able to see new feathers on the shoulders and back which will be unlike what the females have, and he should also have feathers similar to his neck hackles on the sides of his rump, between his legs and tail.

Ihad her to the vet about a month ago and he calmed my fears by saying she was in fact a she, until this morning. Full on crow at 5:15am.

If your vet has certified the gender, how did they do so? :/ (fail, lol...)

Sadly you can't keep a rooster quiet. Nor a crowing hen. And that one definitely looks like a full on normal rooster.

Folks will go on and on about crowing hens, and it can happen, but it's older hens with hormonal imbalances as a rule.

Mostly that's true, but in my experience it's not a rule, because most crowing hens I've had were young and had experienced something traumatic to set them off, or were just plain weird. One liked to sing along with her boyfriend. One was attacked by a fox and had her crop ripped out. Others were just temporarily high in male hormones, I'd guess. But I haven't had older hens crow as much as younger ones, and they were laying and mothering normally before and after their crowing episodes. I had various hens of different breeds who never crowed that still grew normal spurs, sometimes mated with other hens, and were good layers.

Edit: de-crowing is an expensive option, which makes it kinda not an actual option, unless he's a special pet. It's usually via caponizing. Supposedly it will stop some roosters, not all or even most, once they've started crowing. A vet will charge a lot for it, others will do it for free. Not giving advice here, just saying what I've heard. There is another method I've heard about but I'd never use it, because it's cruel and anyway it needs to be done in infancy.
 
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