By the way my American Buffs are calm and docile. We shall see just how docile after we get through breeding season.
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Wish I had an older dog to help train my pup!flockman sorry you havent met a good LGD, We wouldnt trade our for the world. The two oldest (both 3) have been raised with the birds and worked with daily for the first two years of their lives. Our third is 8 months old and in training. He is outside 24/7 on a line with a dog house and his own yard. We work him with the adult male (tethered together) so he learns to leave the birds alone. I think buying from farms where the pups start day one outside near the animals so they can learn from mom early on.