What's the difference between blue and lavender?

[catwalk]

Keep this thread going for another year or two; I have bantam Cochins in buff, lavender, mottled, and mille fleur(ish). Hopefully, I'll be able to demonstrate what lavender does to all sorts of colors/patterns!

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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I cannot say--she is not one I bred--she is a Mihalik bird. And no, I do not have any males

I did ask George to let me know if and when he has a male that he is willing to sell. And I recently acquired a gorgeous lavender cockerel from Fawkes Feather. So once she is over being broody I will pair them together.

George started talking about breeding lavender diluted buffs several years ago, and has had lavender in his birds for many years. I remember when we were at a show and standing by the cage of a porcelain d'uccle, and he told me he wanted to breed a silkie the colour of the diluted buff. My bird is one of his porcelain project, but she has no lavender feathers at all--you can see a bit of lavender in her undercolour, but only if you part her feathers. It is slightly obvious on her crest. She is probably close to 2 now.

If you have two isabel birds (buff + lav/lav) and breed them together you should get isabel. However, buff is a somewhat complicated colour and can be created with several different genetic recipes that may or may not be as compatible as breeding two that are from the same buff recipe. Also, it is possible to lose some of the clear buff when breeding in the lavender.

 

[wilds of pa]

Id love to see a full clean buff x with lavender(black) breeding program and see what happens with all of it.. I'm sure there are many chick colors that will come from this cross. Kind feel it may never breed true to the colors as time passes through the generation kept for breeding, but perhaps it might..??

There are alot of theory's and one will have to pursue them and not solely rely on a calculator to see the end results.. Walking the walk is the best approach i believe..

 

[kathyinmo]

I have another question ...
What about breeding. What if you have both blue and lavender in the same pen? What happens then?

 

[silkie33]

Could these be lavender colored?

 

[happytxchick]

So, how do you get a lavender bird to begin with? Self blue over black? Then you'd get some black, split, and lavender chicks? Yes? No?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

lavender to blue will usually give black and blue split to lavender

as for the other how do you get them question, self blue, is lavender, we in the US call them self blue, in Europe they are referred to as Lavender.
You dont get them from color crosses, you have to out cross to a breed that have the lavender gene in them, then work for years back crossing them to the preferred breed til you get them right for type and color.

the chicks in the pic dont look like my lavender d'anvers. They are usually solid pale blue, so not sure

 

[silkie33]

I'm thinking they will be blue.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

or splash.

Wilds, the calculator is very good for what it is, but it cannot take into consideration the exact genetic makeup of a bird--most phenotypes can be made with a number of different recipes. Not all genes are well-documented or understood (such as the melanizers that allow for a completely black bird on any e-allele).

Any colour mix can be bred to eventually give predictable offspring--it just takes time to breed out the unwanted genes, selecting for the desired appearance over and over, and eliminating the birds who display unwanted characteristics.

 

[kathyinmo]

Back to basics question, re color ....
Is this correct ..... Every bird carries only 2 genes for color. Each offspring receives one gene from each parent. Is there more to that? I mean, can each one of those 2 genes carry something else also? Does that make sense?