What's with the 5 year/mos old?

[Frosty]

There are no UPA breeders in our state, I got mine from a 'backyard' breeder. I was lucky in that I feel she was very honest. When I got my first pair, there were no guarantees that they were indeed a pair. She told me that she thought one was a female and the other a male, but she wasn't sure (they were hatched that year and were half grown). Within days of bringing them home, the male got a swollen sinus. I contacted the seller who told me that she had a few with the same problem. The weather had just taken a drastic turn for the worse and probably brought the symptoms out. She did offer to buy the birds back, but I elected to keep them. When she recently list some black shoulder midnights for sale, I didn't hesitate at all to get them.

There are dishonest people out there trying to recoup their losses, no matter what the critter. Horse sellers drugging horses to hide that they are sick, injured, or flat out dangerous. Poultry owners with a disease going through their flocks who decide to sell all of the birds off before they all die. This is why it's important to quarantine new birds as far away as possible from your existing flock, and when in doubt, listen to your instincts.

 

[PeaDaddy]

With the link that was provided, and the Legg's Peafowl Genetics links, we're spending time figuring out how the genetics work in these birds. Is Brad Legg on this forum, by chance? There are a few things that mathematically don't make sense on his basic genetics page. The reason? I want to figure out Yoda's question of "What we're looking for". We are going to add to the flock, and we're learning exactly HOW we're going to do that.

We're exploring a lot of options... We're looking at importing birds from India because we really like the green, and have avenues to make that possible. I also really like the Charcoal, so there's an option there. We've talked about dabbling in colors, so we need to better understand how the dominant and recessive genes show themselves in the birds. We are also working at understanding heterozygous and homozygous traits. It's all a learning process.... Not sure we're going to do anything with it, but it'll help us understand what we want.

 

[Arbor]

What questions in particular, do you have about the genetics? I can probably answer them for you.

 

[new 2 pfowl]

Hey PeaDaddy,
Did you look at Hopkin's genetics page?
Not sure how similar it is to Legg's...(I don't know anything about pea genetics)
http://www.hopkinslivestock.com/genetics.htm

 

[Yoda]

With the link that was provided, and the Legg's Peafowl Genetics links, we're spending time figuring out how the genetics work in these birds. Is Brad Legg on this forum, by chance? There are a few things that mathematically don't make sense on his basic genetics page. The reason? I want to figure out Yoda's question of "What we're looking for". We are going to add to the flock, and we're learning exactly HOW we're going to do that.

We're exploring a lot of options... We're looking at importing birds from India because we really like the green, and have avenues to make that possible. I also really like the Charcoal, so there's an option there. We've talked about dabbling in colors, so we need to better understand how the dominant and recessive genes show themselves in the birds. We are also working at understanding heterozygous and homozygous traits. It's all a learning process.... Not sure we're going to do anything with it, but it'll help us understand what we want.

If you like the Charcoal, you will like the Bronze, similar coloring pattern. I have both and the bronze is a nicer looking bird. When they lose the trains I have a hard time telling them apart so I look for the shine. Charcoals do not have any shine to them where the bronze has the shine on the neck and feathers. I just want to add that charcoal hens do not lay eggs and to breed charcoals you need a split to charcoal hen. Bronze hens do breed true

This is my Bronze I got from Deerman:



Here is a picture of the charcoal family after breeding season this year. In front is the daughter, the middle is the son and daddy in the back, he was losing his train at the time so it isn't all there.

 

[Trefoil]

Pea daddy - I can't believe anyone connected with Arabs is taken aback by encountering a few "let the buyer beware" types. The driving force behind high priced Arabs in this country is the fact that they are used as a tax write off and a status symbol. I, for one would hate to see peas reduced to that.

 

[PeaDaddy]

Pea daddy - I can't believe anyone connected with Arabs is taken aback by encountering a few "let the buyer beware" types. The driving force behind high priced Arabs in this country is the fact that they are used as a tax write off and a status symbol. I, for one would hate to see peas reduced to that.

With all due respect, you're about 26 years behind the curve. The Passive Tax Loophole that you are talking about closed in 1986. I was 11. Don't let facts interfere with your emotions. I mean....

Thanks for trying to undermine what I'm doing to generate money for my family with a baseless, ignorant shot. And while you're "hoping" that the peafowl doesn't get "reduced" to what the Arab has, everything in me hopes for the day a peacock sells for $500,000, or more. There are going to be a lot of breeders who will recognize the value of years of hard work and dedication to their craft.

People being flatly dishonest is a completely different topic than major corporations and wealthy individuals using an animal as an investment, and tax shelter which, btw, I had nothing to do with, and knew nothing about. Pound sand, crazy.

 

[PeaDaddy]

Hey PeaDaddy,
Did you look at Hopkin's genetics page?
Not sure how similar it is to Legg's...(I don't know anything about pea genetics)
http://www.hopkinslivestock.com/genetics.htm

I'll look at Hopkins' page. We spent last night digging through Josh Nelson's stuff, and it seems that he has done an extensive amount of research on peafowl. Lots of good reading.

@Yoda... Wow! He's beautiful! I actually had the thought that Charcoals can't replicate themselves, which is a big deal, especially for someone starting with a small flock. Thanks for confirming this. Did you say that Charcoal hens lay no eggs? Whaaaa? How does THAT work?

@Arbor, I have lots! We're learning more as we read, and will be asking as we encounter ones that hang us up. It's interesting to better understand how the genetics work in these birds, well, birds in general. It's a whole new world of genetics for us. Honestly, I want to have a completely thorough understand of how the birds we have are going to mix, and make decisions of flock expansion on those factors. When I bought the 4, initially, I never considered going down this road. I thought we'd have a flock of peafowl roaming around the property, and whatever they did was whatever they did. Bringing 4 new birds, 4 very unique and different birds, into the equation changed everything. If we're making babies, they need to be appealing. Thanks for all of the info in PM. I'll be sure to be asking you questions as they arise.

 

[Trefoil]

If its crazy to not want to see peas commercialized, so be it.

 

[PeaDaddy]

If its crazy to not want to see peas commercialized, so be it.

They already are. People sell birds for profit. All over the world. They are imported, and exported. It's a commercial business. Participate to the level you feel comfortable.

Before words like "Troll" start being used, can we please get this back on topic?

I had a really nice post typed and a circuit breaker in the house popped..... UGH. I'll re-type it later. But basically, before we delve to deep into the genetics, could you guys take a look at my birds, posted in "Show Off Your Peas" and tell me if, in fact, I own what I was told; 2 IB 6 mos olds, a Cameo Oaten young female, Bronze female, and a Silver pied male. I'll hit on the rest this evening.