When Does An EE Cease to be AN EE?

[draye]

read this thread from the Ameraucana Breeders Club. This is the history of all three Easter Eggers, Ameraucana, and Araucana. Although the Araucana and the Ameraucana have been bred away from the orginial Quechua type chicken more than the Easter Egger in my opinion. As stated IMO. Not going for an argument myself. I think this explains it the best.



http://www.ameraucana.org/history.html

 

[cashdl]

That does explain it well but does not say the easter egger came first it says the tufted rumpless araucana was promoted as an easter egger because it laid blue eggs. The araucana does not come from the quechua which has a beard and muffs.

I think too much out breeding has been done by hatcheries to say that what they produce is worlds fair quechua or even close to the original breed. The north american araucana is not a pure breed. It came from a mix of two breeds over a long period of time before it ever reached our fair country. The pure bird would be the quetro or the collonca.

The easter egger is not a quechua. If someone were to go to chile and bring back real quechua, they could promote them a quechua. Some hatchery easter egger resemble the quechua because the color is dominate and so are the beards and muffs.

Please bear in mind I have EE's and make my own bearded crested version also. I love them but the problem I think stems from someone buying a hatchery bird and wanting it to be more than it is because they thought they were buying and araucana or ameraucana. They find out its not and feel their bird has no value ( wrong ) and then say "but its now a quechua which is a older breed than an americauna and the araucana". How could something the hatcheries are breeding willy nilly be pure.

I now respectfully bow out of the discussion since I know my mind cannot be changed and I don't expect anyone else to change theirs, I have been merely stating an opion.

Lanae

 

[Medicine Man]

I'm not interested in changing your mind, but for anybody who does not wish to be locked into the BYC misconceptions...

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=4878641

FYI - the "World's Fair Quechua" IS the hatchery Ameraucana and was called Ameraucana for decades before the APA ever thought about it.

 

[cashdl]

I agree that thread is fantastic. I love kermits posts. He is very knowledgable and does alot of research. He is very clear on what an EE and an Ameraucana are, both versions of the original quechua. I like his point also that if you have the ee that looks like the original don't mix it with the ameraucana because each breed has their distinct traits and values to be kept.

Lanae

 

[Meara]

Has the OPs question been answered? Is there an "accepted" measure for a bird NOT being an EE even if it's parents were?

 

[draye]

Actually I don't think the answer is out there really. It is up to the individual as to when an Easter Egger is no longer an Easter Egger. I know that I have my answers for myself, since there is no written standard I cannot force it on anyone. I personally think there needs to be some agreement on it so that we do not continue to confuse people especially new comers on here, they already get a shock when they find out they have Easter Eggers instead of Ameraucana's.

 

[cashdl]

That was rude of me to send us off topic and I apologize.

It is a hard question to answer. It depends on what the goals are. I have a little project I am working on. I want a black, crested, muffed, bearded, tufted, rumpless blue egg layer that consistantly produces everyone of those items ( tufting as much as possible). It is a work in progress. So far I have all but the rumpless and tufted nailed down. A black EE is one of the birds I used cause I had it. Same for the black araucana. They are my crested EE's. Who knows when I can or will call them something different. Fortunately they don't really look like EE's except for the beards and muffs. Course they don't look like araucana either.

I would say call them what you want when you feel comfortable, but be able to honestly explain what you have. Don't try to pass them off as something they are not. You can call your chickens "Ducks" if you feel comfortable with it. Doesn't mean people will believe you.

Lanae

 

[draye]

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Agreed!