White or White white eye peafowl?

[Peafowlssssssss]

One copy ► only a part of the feathers are white eyes.
Two copies ►almost all the feathers are white eyes.

There is NO split Silver pied because the Silver Pied pattern depend on more than one gene!

My question ....
In this case , Is there a split Pied ? ( ... Pied depend on 2 genes ! ).

Sure there is, and i have two split pied hens.

 

[DylansMom]

Thank you !

But what do you mean when saying that a peafowl have 1 copy of WE or 2 copies of WE? Whats the difference between?

For each gene an animal will have 2 copies, 1 inherited from father and 1 inherited from mother. To have 2 copies he/she must inherit a WE gene from both parents, if only one 1 parent gives him/her the gene it is 1 copy WE.

Typically WE tail feathers will have color around the edge of the "Eye"(ocelli), and the center will be either all white or have a small white spot. The whole feather being white doesn't make it a White Eye.


Regular and White Eye feathers

 

[Cassconeri]

Thanks for the explanations!
It helped me a lot!

 

[Dany12]

Sure there is, and i have two split pied hens.

Split pied hens = Dark Pied hens ??

Dark Pied hen X IB = some Pied birds ????

 

[AugeredIn]

Split pied hens = Dark Pied hens ??

Dark Pied hen X IB = some Pied birds ????

If an India Blue pied bird is IB/IB/W a split pied bird is IB/IB/x and a split white bird is IB/IB:W/x where "x" indicates no mutation on the allele. A dark pied bird would be IB/IB/P. There is NO way to get pied birds from two dark pied birds as there is no white allele available.

...and I disagree with regards to split silver pied birds. I believe they can and do exist. I do agree that silver pied involves more than one pair of genes and that there could be multiple definitions of split silver pied. My definition would be a bird that carries half of the P/W allele and at least one WE gene. Note that I don't speculate here about which of the three is the actually mutated to carry silver pied. I used to agree that there truly was not a split silver pied bird for the reasons above but if you cross two non-silver pied birds together it is possible to get silver pied so does not that imply they are split silver pied? I once hear the argument that you could also have two birds that were split silver pied as I have defined above that WOULD NOT produce silver pied birds. This is true, but is it also true that we have split pied birds that when bred together will not produce pied birds?

 

[zazouse]

If an India Blue pied bird is IB/IB/W a split pied bird is IB/IB/x and a split white bird is IB/IB:W/x where "x" indicates no mutation on the allele. A dark pied bird would be IB/IB/P. There is NO way to get pied birds from two dark pied birds as there is no white allele available.

...and I disagree with regards to split silver pied birds. I believe they can and do exist. I do agree that silver pied involves more than one pair of genes and that there could be multiple definitions of split silver pied. My definition would be a bird that carries half of the P/W allele and at least one WE gene. Note that I don't speculate here about which of the three is the actually mutated to carry silver pied. I used to agree that there truly was not a split silver pied bird for the reasons above but if you cross two non-silver pied birds together it is possible to get silver pied so does not that imply they are split silver pied? I once hear the argument that you could also have two birds that were split silver pied as I have defined above that WOULD NOT produce silver pied birds. This is true, but is it also true that we have split pied birds that when bred together will not produce pied birds?

But 1/2 is not a whole and to be split and produce without an ali would not yeild you a silver pied right???so if i purchased a said split to silver pied but it looks visibly blue mabe some white flight feathers and bred it to a pure blue i would never get a silver, i could get pied and i could get white eyed but not one silver would ever be produced would it?

 

[DylansMom]

But 1/2 is not a whole and to be split and produce without an ali would not yeild you a silver pied right???so if i purchased a said split to silver pied but it looks visibly blue mabe some white flight feathers and bred it to a pure blue i would never get a silver, i could get pied and i could get white eyed but not one silver would ever be produced would it?

Based on this rational though, we could say that a bird can't be split to white either. If a split white bird looks blue with a couple white feathers, you will never get a white from it either, if bred to a pure blue. What if 2 birds that are split silver are bred to each other, would we expect to see silver then? I would expect so, and I am wondering if this is what Augeredin is talking about.

 

[AugeredIn]

Based on this rational though, we could say that a bird can't be split to white either. If a split white bird looks blue with a couple white feathers, you will never get a white from it either, if bred to a pure blue. What if 2 birds that are split silver are bred to each other, would we expect to see silver then? I would expect so, and I am wondering if this is what Augeredin is talking about.

Exactly.

 

[AugeredIn]

But 1/2 is not a whole and to be split and produce without an ali would not yeild you a silver pied right???so if i purchased a said split to silver pied but it looks visibly blue mabe some white flight feathers and bred it to a pure blue i would never get a silver, i could get pied and i could get white eyed but not one silver would ever be produced would it?

Not totally sure what you are saying first here but it is true that you could breed a split silver pied bird to a plain bird and breed the babies back to the parent and never receive a silver pied bird. Thats not the point though. A split pied bird bred to a plain bird will never produce pied birds from then on and DylansMom's example is also correct. My point, and the reason I have changed positions on this, is that to say that no bird is split to silver pied implies that ONLY a silver pied bird will produce silver pied birds and that is NOT correct.

It does require you to understand that there is more than one ingredient just like pied birds require multiple ingredients.