Why i do not want GMO in my food or my pets food

[mg15]

Again. I find your comment confusing. What does it even mean? (Refer to my post #115)

You cannot agree with me if I never said that fertilizer, pesticide, cleaning products, weed killer, etc., are allowed in products with the USDA organic label. I didn't say that, so you can't agree with me. I wouldn't say it. And I find it confusing that you would say that when it has nothing to do with the link (above) that I originally posted about processed foods.

Your mention of fertilizers, pesticides, cleaning products, weed killers, etc., is totally out of left field from where I'm standing. I'm sure you have some angle or reason or method, but I don't get it. Call me daft, an idiot, think anything ill about me that you like, but I can't figure out what you wrote.

It's a little bit unkind, btw, to make a comment about "... a bunch of miss-reading [sic] and assuming people here today.. [sic]" Who knows exactly who referring to. But I am telling you that I am confused by your comment pesticide, etc., comment.

Please, I appeal to the educator in you to be kind in your responses. I understand that I'm a mome and/or cretin (term idiot is fine, too, but overused, don't you think?), but no one is purposely or vindictively mis-reading or assuming anything. If you want to be understood, then you need to explain things in a way that lesser people like myself can comprehend. Put on your educator hat and help me out.

Spangled, you are just talking to an EgoHead.

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

Quote: I haven't had to resort to any name calling to get my points across or to present facts
Feel free to cut and paste any examples you have to show otherwise

I have been CALLED some names by several, and a few can't seem to read well enough to differentiate between "B E A R" and "BARE or "BIG"

There's a good example of name calling in the post above.
When one sides arguments aren't any better than that, it's hard to give them much credibility on anything they say

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

That doesn't make any sense. So we should force the smaller, organic farms to label but not the multi-billion dollar corporations that are trying to control our food supply?

No one forces them to label their products
They CHOOSE to do so.

 

[mg15]

this is quite informative: about the 5%​

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http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...node=7:3.1.1.9.32&idno=7#7:3.1.1.9.32.4.354.2​

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§ 205.301 Product composition.​

(a) Products sold, labeled, or represented as “100 percent organic.” A raw or processed agricultural product sold, labeled, or represented as “100 percent organic” must contain (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) 100 percent organically produced ingredients. If labeled as organically produced, such product must be labeled pursuant to § 205.303.
(b) Products sold, labeled, or represented as “organic.” A raw or processed agricultural product sold, labeled, or represented as “organic” must contain (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) not less than 95 percent organically produced raw or processed agricultural products. Any remaining product ingredients must be organically produced, unless not commercially available in organic form, or must be nonagricultural substances or nonorganically produced agricultural products produced consistent with the National List in subpart G of this part. If labeled as organically produced, such product must be labeled pursuant to § 205.303.
(c) Products sold, labeled, or represented as “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)).” Multiingredient agricultural product sold, labeled, or represented as “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s))” must contain (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) at least 70 percent organically produced ingredients which are produced and handled pursuant to requirements in subpart C of this part. No ingredients may be produced using prohibited practices specified in paragraphs (f)(1), (2), and (3) of § 205.301. Nonorganic ingredients may be produced without regard to paragraphs (f)(4), (5), (6), and (7) of § 205.301. If labeled as containing organically produced ingredients or food groups, such product must be labeled pursuant to § 205.304.
(d) Products with less than 70 percent organically produced ingredients. The organic ingredients in multiingredient agricultural product containing less than 70 percent organically produced ingredients (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) must be produced and handled pursuant to requirements in subpart C of this part. The nonorganic ingredients may be produced and handled without regard to the requirements of this part. Multiingredient agricultural product containing less than 70 percent organically produced ingredients may represent the organic nature of the product only as provided in § 205.305.
(e) Livestock feed. (1) A raw or processed livestock feed product sold, labeled, or represented as “100 percent organic” must contain (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) not less than 100 percent organically produced raw or processed agricultural product.
(2) A raw or processed livestock feed product sold, labeled, or represented as “organic” must be produced in conformance with § 205.237.
(f) All products labeled as “100 percent organic” or “organic” and all ingredients identified as “organic” in the ingredient statement of any product must not:
(1) Be produced using excluded methods, pursuant to § 201.105(e) of this chapter;
(2) Be produced using sewage sludge, pursuant to § 201.105(f) of this chapter;
(3) Be processed using ionizing radiation, pursuant to § 201.105(g) of this chapter;
(4) Be processed using processing aids not approved on the National List of Allowed and Prohibited Substances in subpart G of this part: Except, That, products labeled as “100 percent organic,” if processed, must be processed using organically produced processing aids;
(5) Contain sulfites, nitrates, or nitrites added during the production or handling process, Except, that, wine containing added sulfites may be labeled “made with organic grapes”;
(6) Be produced using nonorganic ingredients when organic ingredients are available; or
(7) Include organic and nonorganic forms of the same ingredient.

 

[mg15]

ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS OF
GENETICALLY ENGINEEREED FISH
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2011
U.S. SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON OCEANS, ATMOSPHERE, FISHERIES,
AND COAST GUARD,
COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION,​

Washington, DC.

Usually when we have a hearing about fish, we’re considering
the economic and environmental aspects of taking fish out of the
ocean.
Today we are here to talk about the economic and environmental
impacts of adding a completely new type of fish that was created
in a laboratory into our oceans.
As I speak, the Food and Drug Administration is considering a
landmark decision: whether to allow the first genetically engineered
animal to be produced and sold for human consumption.
This animal has been created in a lab by mixing the genes from
three separate fish species. The result is a genetically engineered
Atlantic Salmon that is said to grow much faster than the regular
Atlantic Salmon.
The company calls the lab created fish AquAdvantage salmon.
Others have given the nickname ‘‘Frankenfish.’’ Whatever you call​

it, when we are talking about this genetically engineered fish, We
are talking about the entire future of wild fish and fisheries.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-112shrg74890/pdf/CHRG-112shrg74890.pdf

GMO corn, soybeans, etc.
I had to clue they were doing this to fish too. I guess there is no stopping it.

 

[Chris09]

Chris, first of all you are assuming that I am a "No GMO" person. I eat them all the time. All the time. So don't lump me in with some supposed group that does or doesn't exist. Or do so. I guess it really doesn't matter what group you want to lump me with.

2. About your list of pesticides, fertilizers, cleaning products, weed killers, etc., ... well, those are definitely not allowed in organic processed foods. No, not even in the 5% portion. I have no idea why you would say they were. Boggles the mind. Why you would even bring it up is baffling ... especially when the link I posted didn't even mention them and was about organic processed foods. I had supposed you would have some sort of explanation for this type of outlandish claim, but you have none or you would have supplied it.

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Do you have a link that states that the 5% non-organic matter can not be non-organic pesticide, fertilizer, cleaning products, weed killer etc?



Quote: Don't you think that if it could not be the products I listed that they would have listed it? Like they listed that it could not be GMO.

Chris

 

[mg15]

No one forces them to label their products
They CHOOSE to do so.

And so monsanto could CHOOSE to do so

 

[Chris09]

Spangled, you are just talking to an EgoHead.

Wow, Name calling now?

Fill free to post information and links to anything that proves me wrong.

Chris

 

[Spangled]

Do you have a link that states that the 5% non-organic matter can not be non-organic pesticide, fertilizer, cleaning products, weed killer etc?

Chris

You've got to be kidding. I've posted it twice and you didn't read it either time. Why would I post it again?

At this point you are just wasting my time. I think I'll go do something productive like watch a Bradley Cooper movie.

Kirk out.

 

[Chris09]

You've got to be kidding. I've posted it twice and you didn't read it either time. Why would I post it again?

At this point you are just wasting my time. I think I'll go do something productive like watch a Bradley Cooper movie.

Kirk out.

You posted information and a link referring to GMO,

From the link you posted --



Quote:

Reply: Organic standards are process based. The NOP regulations prohibit the use of

genetically modified organisms, prohibit commingling or contamination during processing and handling,
and require preventative practices to avoid contact with GMOs. Organic agricultural
products should have minimal if any GMO contaminants; however, organic food products do not
have a zero tolerance for the presence of GMO material.

Issue: Has a tolerance level (e.g. 5%) been established for the presence of GMOs in organic
agricultural products?
Reply: The NOP regulations do not establish GMO tolerance levels. The NOP regulations
establish a tolerance for the presence of pesticides registered by the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) that is set at 5% of the EPA tolerance level for the specific residue
detected. No federal agency, including EPA or USDA has established tolerance levels for the
inadvertent presence of the products of excluded methods (GMOs).

Issue: Processed foods sold as “organic” must contain at least 95% organic ingredients. Are
GMOs allowed in the remaining 5% of ingredients? Likewise, processed foods sold as “made
with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s))” must contain at least 70% organic
ingredients. Are GMOs allowed in the remaining 30% of ingredients for these products?
Reply: The use of GMOs is prohibited in all ingredients in “organic” and “made with organic
(specified ingredients or food groups(s)).” There is no provision within the NOP regulations that
allows the use of excluded methods (GMOs) in ingredients or processing aids under the
“organic” or “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s))” label categories.




No where in that information does it say that the 5% can not be from the products that I listed, in fact they state that the NOP regulations establish a tolerance for the presence of pesticides regulated by the U.S. EPA.

So where is this information that you posted that proves me wrong again?


Chris