Why soy free?? (And the effects of soy)

If soy was just a waste crop, they would plant something else. There is a huge market for soy and it is very high in protien. That's why it is planted.

Soy is a good green manure. It is NOT a good food crop as it is currently used in the US because of the health problems caused by improper preparation and overuse in the food supply.

As for the protein content...
"Soya contains protease inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. These produce serious gastric distress and reduce protein digestion to cause chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer."
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/no-joy.html

"Confused About Soy?--Soy Dangers Summarized

* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
* Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys."
http://www.trit.us/soy/index.html

the financial benefits of soy are a byproduct of it's agricultural use. it was orginally planted on corn farms simply as a way to fix nitrogen. then Big Ag realized they could market it as fillers and additives as they had corn so it became a major cash crop. this has actually done more to HARM farmers than to help them as it devalues other crops and forces them to plant more and more each year. as the market is flooded with so much cheap corn and soy, farmers can't make a profit unless they plant so much that they get lots of subsidies. and it gets worse each year that more corn and soy are planted.

Exactly. You also have one company controlling 90% of the seed market on soy and corn. The diversity of crops is shrinking all the time.

That's a ridiculous assumption. Soybeans have been domesticated and raised for food for thousands of years. While not generally cared for as table food in the early U.S., it was planted in the mid-19th century as livestock fodder.

Soybeans have been used for thousands of years, but not in the way they are used now. The Chinese learned to ferment the soy which neutralizes the natural toxins in the soy beans. Used as a fermented product and in TRADITIONAL AMOUNTS (about 2 tsp/day as a condiment...NOT as a replacement for animal protein) soy can be just fine. Soy used in the US is NOT fermented, it is toxic, and it is added to EVERYTHING!

As for livestock, the long term damage of soy doesn't show up in animals that are raised to market weight and sold. If you have breeders, or keep your animals long term, that is when the soy issues becomes a problem. Because of this, the average person should worry about soy in their pet food even if they are not concerned about the soy in their livestock's feed.​
 
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It should be OUTLAWED for that reason alone, do you know how many men are out there walking around that need to use a manzier?!
 
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It should be OUTLAWED for that reason alone, do you know how many men are out there walking around that need to use a manzier?!

FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS NOT MY QUOTE!!!!!
 
I just don't trust soy especially GMO stuff. It is a matter of preference of course. You know big ag feed operations would not use it if it was not cheap. That's Ok except Purina and the like charge way too much for cheap ingredient feed. I don't trust companies like Purina that don't list their ingredients line by line. You know (but don't know) the formula is always changing because of grain prices. JMHO.
 
Ha Ha! Lazy J has climbed down off the fence and stated that Monsanto does not control 90% of the seed market!!!!! Finally, some input! I had to reread the entire thread and chuckle several times. I only have 34 years of experience but in the midwest for the last 34 years beans (soy) were definitely not only planted as a green manure crop on corn ground. Much of the bean land would not grow squat for corn and has NEVER had corn planted on it. Conventional tillage row crops are shifting away. Round-up (patented by Monsanto) has helped this shift. There is no doubt about that. Soy protein is a HUGE source of available, cost effective protein source for livestock feed as well as many other uses we are just now finding out about. How about bio-diesel, soy materials used in automobile safety structures etc......are you all opposed to that? Chemicals are used to treat our drinking water. We brush our teeth with poison (toothpaste) and clothe ourselves with 50% (guess) synthetic fibers and put radiation next to our brain(cell phone). We eat microwaved food and pay several dollars for a cup of coffee which is grown in a foreign country (what kind of pesticides are used there). Some of us then go to work and check our email and dont even know our next door neighbors. Folks times have changed. Soy protein is gonna be around a while. Though there are some not so great things about soy beans, there are many more positive uses that soy can and will be used for. My chickens loved my boiled soy beans I have given them!!!!! I love my deer meat I harvest out of bean fields and the quail I harvest eating soy. GO SOY!!!!! I have no problems feeding soy to my animals or family.
One other thing....I can't wait for the round-up ready alfalfa to be released again!!!! I will be finally planting some alfalfa food plots for wildlife and my poultry!
 
Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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This is NOT the case. Monsanto does NOT control 90% of th4 commercial seed market.

To clarify...
By their own admission, Monsanto's patented gene's are inserted into roughly 95% of all soybeans and corn on the market.​
 
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Many of us strive to not do any of the things you mentioned.
Times have changed, but I have gotten off that band wagon.

you are right that it has not been used as a green manure in long time.
The industrialization of the farm market would give the strong impression that it is doing th world a wonderful favor.
However, mono cropping is a system that has a huge weakness.
No diversity.
The percentage of conr and soy used for non food and fake food, is way higher then what is used for real food.
Its a shame how we claim to feed the world, but we are not feeding them real and diverse foods.
The infertility rates amongst farmers is also the highest ever seen
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"Farmers and painters/varnishers showed a significantly higher proportion of reduced sperm counts [odds ratios (OR): 2.13 and 2.17, 95% confidence intervals: 1.18-3.88 and 1.02-4.65] and severely reduced sperm concentrations compared with the entire group of infertile men; in addition, significantly more farmers presented with a history of maldescended testes than other occupational groups"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11737412

Found this one, but I am not sure if this is what she was thinking of
 

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