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I thought they meant naming a chicken. I dub thee.. Stella...
I thought they meant naming a chicken. I dub thee.. Stella...
why would you Dub a chicken???
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It's just me, but I think it is wrong. Until you can prove it doesn't hurt or is not an infection risk, I say NO WAY. How do we get "standards" for birds when it is such an unnatural thing??? I don't get it. Cruelty in my book.
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I understand the reasons given and its just something that is different to most people.. I have been raised with Dobermans, danes and poodles so docking and croping are not viewed as cruel. it just is the best way and it goes back to what the breed was designed to do..
Iv sure if I were around it enough I could do it, I think im gonna be lucky though.. I dont worry about mine and frost bite.. but I did agree with the one poster as well about the overly large comb that then obstructs a roo vision and could then be a potential risk or for large flocks that get Pecky...
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Iv sure if I were around it enough I could do it, I think im gonna be lucky though.. I dont worry about mine and frost bite.. but I did agree with the one poster as well about the overly large comb that then obstructs a roo vision and could then be a potential risk or for large flocks that get Pecky...
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I think dubbing does hurt, but original purpose for which dubbed breeds were bred for was enhanced by comb being absent which balances cost / risks of proceedure. The comb and wattles, especially of the single morph (wild-type) is relatively large. The large mass hinders rapid and sustained movement of head which effects overall speed and endurance. It is also something your opponent can easily grab and hang on to.
I am not a proponent of dubbing purely for purpose of meeting standard for show as such a procedure makes comb phenotype more difficult to determine. Phenotype to me is important and should take precedence over SOP where mutilation is required to meet.
The way I house my games, exposure to temperature extremes increases odds of frost bite and susequent infection which seems to happen everytime. Frost bite requires many weeks to a couple months for complete recovery. Wounds associated with dubbing require only a few days to heal over and very seldom result in infection.
Long-term best way to deal with issue is to select for smaller comb and wattles. Birds with pea comb in many ways meet that criteria.
I think dubbing does hurt, but original purpose for which dubbed breeds were bred for was enhanced by comb being absent which balances cost / risks of proceedure. The comb and wattles, especially of the single morph (wild-type) is relatively large. The large mass hinders rapid and sustained movement of head which effects overall speed and endurance. It is also something your opponent can easily grab and hang on to.
I am not a proponent of dubbing purely for purpose of meeting standard for show as such a procedure makes comb phenotype more difficult to determine. Phenotype to me is important and should take precedence over SOP where mutilation is required to meet.
The way I house my games, exposure to temperature extremes increases odds of frost bite and susequent infection which seems to happen everytime. Frost bite requires many weeks to a couple months for complete recovery. Wounds associated with dubbing require only a few days to heal over and very seldom result in infection.
Long-term best way to deal with issue is to select for smaller comb and wattles. Birds with pea comb in many ways meet that criteria.
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I am very sensitive to animal rights myself, and view most cropping and docking in dogs as unecessary and borderline cruelty unless it improves their quality of life.
That's the key point: Does the procedure improve the animal's quality of life? If no, then cruelty. If yes, then not cruelty.
It's the same reason that neutering and spaying is not cruelty. It is an invasive proceedure that removes the animal's bodyparts, but it is done to improve the animal's quality of life and reduce feral population.
You can still refuse to do it yourself, that's absolutely your right, and I'd completely respect it. Just don't assume that people who are trying to help their animals are being cruel to them.
I am very sensitive to animal rights myself, and view most cropping and docking in dogs as unecessary and borderline cruelty unless it improves their quality of life.
That's the key point: Does the procedure improve the animal's quality of life? If no, then cruelty. If yes, then not cruelty.
It's the same reason that neutering and spaying is not cruelty. It is an invasive proceedure that removes the animal's bodyparts, but it is done to improve the animal's quality of life and reduce feral population.
You can still refuse to do it yourself, that's absolutely your right, and I'd completely respect it. Just don't assume that people who are trying to help their animals are being cruel to them.
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And you are totaly entitled to act with your birds according to your believes just as I'm to mine. There are many unnatural things, for example: the extrimely large combs and watless of many cocks and hens as well as their body form; also the huge amount of eggs that many can put in a year and the lack of gameness in male cocks of many breeds. All of this things are very unnatural but fanciers of the different breeds with such caracteristics, work to keep them this way by keeping the standards for such traits. Should we also say that it is inhumane to have birds that have traits that makes them handicap in form and functionality when compared to the natural tipe( the wild jungle fowl ) just because we find them cute and preaty with theire different modified tipes of looks that makes them apealing to our personal taste ? Is it not selfish and cruel to artificialy change the chape and function of a naturaly created bird for that of an artificialy created and modified by man in orther to satisfie our own tastes and purposes ? How many hens die a year because the large eggs that they have been breed to produce gets stock and does not comes out ? How many cocks mob and kill theire hens by brutaly trying to mate them ? How many cocks kill the baby chicks when they hatch, and how many hens fail to encubate their eggs for the full 21 days termn that is required ? All of it is the result of man made modifications. Ain't that cruel, inhumane and unnatural ?? I velieve there could be more to been inhumane and unnatural than just focusing on pain. Maybe we should go ahead and ban all kind of unnaturaly created birds and annimals out there in order to satisfie the believes and oppinions of some good conserned citycens out there. It is my personal believe that us animal and chicken lovers should be more aware sometimes of the ways of thinking that we support, for combs, wattles, ears and tails are just the begining of a battle that seeks to also eliminate, in time, the rightfull and legal ownership of many other breeds that we love and enjoy to keep. And with all respect for everybody and not pointing to anybody here, just talking generaly, I think there seems to be more people out there willing to tell and dictate other what to do and how to live, than there is people out there willing to fight for their constitucional rights; not trying to get political here, just expressing an oppinion.
Pele. You gave very good reazons as to why to dub a cocck before in here, perhaps you can also enlight us as to how the invasive process of nutering and spaying inpruve the animals quality of life ? As far as I've been able to see, the procedure tends to provoke irreversible problems of ovesity that leads to many other complications with in the lifespam of the animal. Thanks.
I must acknowledge that while I dont like neutering or spaying my animals, I'm not against nor do I call anibody inhumane for doing it even when I'm against the practice. I'm just trying to make an understandable point here on what it seems to me to be more cruel, invasive an inhumane than dubbing a cock, jet still, we embrace it as normal. As to feral population, if you are not responsable enough to keep your animals were they belong, perhaps you should not have them, just a thought.
Thanks for all the oppinions and keep up the good dialog
And you are totaly entitled to act with your birds according to your believes just as I'm to mine. There are many unnatural things, for example: the extrimely large combs and watless of many cocks and hens as well as their body form; also the huge amount of eggs that many can put in a year and the lack of gameness in male cocks of many breeds. All of this things are very unnatural but fanciers of the different breeds with such caracteristics, work to keep them this way by keeping the standards for such traits. Should we also say that it is inhumane to have birds that have traits that makes them handicap in form and functionality when compared to the natural tipe( the wild jungle fowl ) just because we find them cute and preaty with theire different modified tipes of looks that makes them apealing to our personal taste ? Is it not selfish and cruel to artificialy change the chape and function of a naturaly created bird for that of an artificialy created and modified by man in orther to satisfie our own tastes and purposes ? How many hens die a year because the large eggs that they have been breed to produce gets stock and does not comes out ? How many cocks mob and kill theire hens by brutaly trying to mate them ? How many cocks kill the baby chicks when they hatch, and how many hens fail to encubate their eggs for the full 21 days termn that is required ? All of it is the result of man made modifications. Ain't that cruel, inhumane and unnatural ?? I velieve there could be more to been inhumane and unnatural than just focusing on pain. Maybe we should go ahead and ban all kind of unnaturaly created birds and annimals out there in order to satisfie the believes and oppinions of some good conserned citycens out there. It is my personal believe that us animal and chicken lovers should be more aware sometimes of the ways of thinking that we support, for combs, wattles, ears and tails are just the begining of a battle that seeks to also eliminate, in time, the rightfull and legal ownership of many other breeds that we love and enjoy to keep. And with all respect for everybody and not pointing to anybody here, just talking generaly, I think there seems to be more people out there willing to tell and dictate other what to do and how to live, than there is people out there willing to fight for their constitucional rights; not trying to get political here, just expressing an oppinion.
Pele. You gave very good reazons as to why to dub a cocck before in here, perhaps you can also enlight us as to how the invasive process of nutering and spaying inpruve the animals quality of life ? As far as I've been able to see, the procedure tends to provoke irreversible problems of ovesity that leads to many other complications with in the lifespam of the animal. Thanks.
I must acknowledge that while I dont like neutering or spaying my animals, I'm not against nor do I call anibody inhumane for doing it even when I'm against the practice. I'm just trying to make an understandable point here on what it seems to me to be more cruel, invasive an inhumane than dubbing a cock, jet still, we embrace it as normal. As to feral population, if you are not responsable enough to keep your animals were they belong, perhaps you should not have them, just a thought.
Thanks for all the oppinions and keep up the good dialog
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This seems to be an american thing in the uk is is not legal and the birds do just fine!!
Some breeds have to dubbed to be shown, at least I think. I guess it has something to do with a look that was prefered. Im sure someone who actually knows what they are talking about will be along shortly
Oh my Pink, PINK... Ha Ha YES. That was so needed today. Sigh. That helps to relieve some pain. Love you Pink. Thanks.
Roosters who have injured combs are sterile until their combs heal.
Therefore it is imperative that breeds like Leghorns be dubbed, not only to prevent frost bite but to prevent injury when the roosters are fed out of metal feeders with anti roosting spinners on top.
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