Will the government take away your chickens?

[RHRanch]

Wow what a crazy thread this is, I will weigh in that i am against big govt. and am a Ron Paul supporter.

My definition of gun control is being able to hit the target you are aiming at!

Welfare is a form of slavery.

And lastly a quote from Ben Franklin "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."

So what would you have those who cannot work due to age, infermity or disability do? Welfare is in my opinion the act of a nation with a conscience. Prior to welfare programs these people died in the streets.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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When the number is 0 calling it "all of them" does not change it from a 0

 

[chickened]

If you sell them for drugs then you really don't need them isn't that lying? If they know you are lying then they do not give them to you, if you are lying to get them like working under the table where verifying falls short then they are giving them to you based on your honor by virtue of the reqirements to get them are not set up to catch cheaters but it leans towards honesty on the part of the applicant. It is well known that they do not detect false information on the apps.

If they really wanted to catch cheaters they could by seeing what type of car they drive, home inspections like welfare does or many other ways to catch them.

Regardless how you spin it they can only go off of what you tell them on the application and what little checking they really do. People figure out ways to go around the verification process just as easily as people that have to take UA's for drug testing do. Like I said it is an honor system in many ways if merely for the fact that 1 in 8 Americans get them and there is not enough resources in the program to check out every persons story. And if your evidence is the rules posted in a website you are really out of touch with reality of what happens in the social welfare world. I have seen households where everyone in the home was on foodstamps, living in a HUD home getting welfare and all the other freebies and they brag about how easy it is to dupe the system you are defending. If I am not mistaken I think once you get them it is for four or six months unless you tell them you no longer need them... isn't that an honor system? Like I said how do they verify the fact that you tell them you have nothing to verify? and they still give them to you. It is really easy, I have no job, my freind lets me live with them for free (actually for the foodstamps). Answer that.

You said foodstamps qualifications are based on the honor system, that they don't verify what applicants tell them. Now because I gave you evidence that that is not the case, you try to say that the use of foodstamps is based on honor. So first you blame the system, then you blame individuals. I really don't think there is a system in the world that could satisfy you.... Nothing is perfect, there are some bad people out there - that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[tomtom69]

So what would you have those who cannot work due to age, infermity or disability do? Welfare is in my opinion the act of a nation with a conscience. Prior to welfare programs these people died in the streets.

Disability and social security are not welfare!

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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You do realize that those people fall under Social Security not Welfare.

 

[chickened]

Well funny you ask lets take Detroit the epitomy of the welfare state, where people are still dying in the streets from murder. The highest concetration of welfare recipients tend to have the highest crime rates usually.

I am of the opinion that those that can work should do something for the free food and I mean anything that does not project the idea that you are getting something for nothing and for those that choose that life when a better life is possible is not the burden of society.

Lets not confuse the truly needy here with the ones that are generational welfare recipients. There is a place for welfare but it needs better management and accountability.

So what would you have those who cannot work due to age, infermity or disability do? Welfare is in my opinion the act of a nation with a conscience. Prior to welfare programs these people died in the streets.

 

[hemet dennis]

The only two bombings that I remember was the shoe bomber which was stopped by a passenger an the underwear bomber who was stopped by pure stupidity.... Don't remember if they were domestic?

Nope not domestic so no pat down and at the time no one here had their shoes searched.

 

[RHRanch]

If you sell them for drugs then you really don't need them isn't that lying? If they know you are lying then they do not give them to you, if you are lying to get them like working under the table where verifying falls short then they are giving them to you based on your honor by virtue of the reqirements to get them are not set up to catch cheaters but it leans towards honesty on the part of the applicant. It is well known that they do not detect false information on the apps.

If they really wanted to catch cheaters they could by seeing what type of car they drive, home inspections like welfare does or many other ways to catch them.

Regardless how you spin it they can only go off of what you tell them on the application and what little checking they really do. People figure out ways to go around the verification process just as easily as people that have to take UA's for drug testing do. Like I said it is an honor system in many ways if merely for the fact that 1 in 8 Americans get them and there is not enough resources in the program to check out every persons story. And if your evidence is the rules posted in a website you are really out of touch with reality of what happens in the social welfare world. I have seen households where everyone in the home was on foodstamps, living in a HUD home getting welfare and all the other freebies and they brag about how easy it is to dupe the system you are defending. If I am not mistaken I think once you get them it is for four or six months unless you tell them you no longer need them... isn't that an honor system? Like I said how do they verify the fact that you tell them you have nothing to verify? and they still give them to you. It is really easy, I have no job, my freind lets me live with them for free (actually for the foodstamps). Answer that.

If you don't like the system, change it. I think it works as well as it can for the cost of it. Imagine the cost if we ran around like a nanny state trying to find out the moral character of each individual that applies for it. It's unrealistic and ridiculous. But I will answer your amusing question: If someone is so pathetic that they are happy to live on almost nothing and crash on someone's couch in exchange for foodstamps.... they probably need some sort of social assistance, as they obviously have a lousy life.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

My opinion, actual "welfare" should be canned an replaced with public work projects.

 

[RHRanch]

My opinion, actual "welfare" should be canned an replaced with public work projects.

So you think we should get old and sick and disabled people and get them to work? Most people on welfare are over 65. When you see stats on welfare spending, numbers on it, etc. they include medicare as welfare.