Will this EVER end??? 2 questions! (ok, 3)

Would the OSB be better then?

The best thing would be REMOVE the OSB from the floor
It will just rot in a couple of years anyway, so it would be better to remove it NOW while it's clean than after soaking in chicken waste for a couple of years

ALL you need on top of the concrete is wood shavings​
 
Scrap pond liner has survived for the last few months in my brooder aka temp coop. The only damage: the staple holes where I attached it. It's 45 mil epdm rubber, same thing your tires are made of. (don't go with pvc liner, it doesn't even hold up to sunlight and pond conditions.)
 
Yes, one string and the whole thing would go, I agree. I don't think this chick feed gives them enough nutrition or something. Feeding time is seriously scary. I haven't ever seen the plastic pond liner stuff. I think I'll look at it though. Great ideas all, thanks.
 
Cement will draw moisture into it's self. Any wood you put down will then be exposed to the moisture and will rot over time. the only way you could minimize moisture damage would be to put down plastic, then build a sub floor and lay plywood... But why would you want to go to this extra expense and time? What size is your coop? Pond liner is something I'm going to try myself in my coop (mine has a raised floor and plywood)

The chickens and you will be moving and working, layering the bedding, so it will not sit and rot like wood would....I don't think plywood or osb (esp) would work for you. OSB is like a sponge to moisture, it will swell and delaminate.
 
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Uh, with a shovel and broom
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REally truly honestly, there is NO reason to hose. Put sealer on the concrete if it isn't already sealed; then you needn't apply water to it at all. I don't know why people get all hose-y with their coops, but you sure don't HAVE to
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Pat--I'll be emailing when we finish the inside and get to the outside! We have gale force winds, rain for days and it froze a few nights ago. I'm glad the babies aren't out there! This is not normal May weather.

No kidding. My kids made some very small snowmen on Sunday! We are having the March we never really had
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Some kind of tarp on the floor sounds like it could be useful. What are all your thoughts??

Personally I wouldn't bother, don't see that it'd add anything other than potentiallly headache.

Good luck, have fun,

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I have my 9 week old pullets in the garage...and I hear what you're saying about painting!! I'M SICK OF PAINTING!!

I didn't like the idea of putting my chicks on cold concrete and had some of the foam mats, they look like giant puzzle pieces, that I put down under the pine shavings.

I also have a concrete floor in my coop under construction. I think what I'm going to do is put a piece of 6 mil plastic (I have some leftover from the moisture barrier I put
on the walls) then put my black mats on top and then put the pine shavings. That keeps any poo off the concrete and keeps the coop floor more insulated. They have
not pecked at the mats.

I wish now that I had used regular 1/4" plywood on the walls instead of OSB. I've painted that OSB with one coat of primer, in some places two...and two coats of paint.
I'm still worried that they're going to want to peck at the stuff, especially at the seams. I guess time will tell. Wonder if anyone has put vinyl flooring on the walls? (just
a few feet up where the birds can get at it).
 
Years ago in a dollar store I ran into those blue tarps for a buck each. Bought twenty of them 5 x 7 feet. As far as tarps go, they have to be the worst quality-wise. Going into winter last year I had to cover my osb floor with something to protect the flooring...which was to be under a foot of straw. All I did was spread them out, and put hay over them.

This year I'll put something else down...I'm considering those rubber puzzle piece things too...but on the whole, those tarps worked and for the most part protected the osb from moisture, and poop. The straw breaks down into little bitty pieces, and they were able to scratch it under the edges of the tarps but I overlapped them a lot. If I were to do it again, I'd use duct tape and tape the edges down so they could not scratch stuff to between the layers.

It was in there five months and they never picked at it, shredded it, or tore it up. This year I'm going to use pine shavings...and when I say deep, it will be. A foot anyway. The drawback with that is that they tend to lay eggs in it. It is easy to find them in the straw as they make a depression to lay them, and they are almost always in a corner...but the shavings are the same color as the eggs and they are hard to see.
 
You are getting a lot of good advice here. Not to disrespect anyone ele, but really, really listen to Pat. She knows what she is talking about.

1. We have a poured cement slab covered with OSB on the floor. Not all the pieces are secured.

You seem to be taking a lot of care with your coop, so I am going to assume you will keep your floor dry, that water will not come in from the outside or leak in from the top. If I inherited the flooring that you describe and I was in Iowa, I'd probably tear up the OSB and dump 4 or 5 bags of pine shavings in there. You don't even have to spread it, but if you want to take that pleasure away from them, you can. 4 or 5 bags is probably not enough for a 11 x 12 coop, but it is enough to start. Just dump another bag in there as you see a need. As long as the wood shavings are dry, they are a tremendous insulator. You really don't have to worry about the concrete being cold in the winter as long as your shavings are deep enough. You can make it as complicated as you wish. You have that right. Or you can make it this simple. If you had a small elevated coop your situation would be different, but with a coop this size, the shavings kept dry, and especially if you use a droppings board under the roost to keep a lot of the poop out of there, you will not need to clean this out more often that once a year and you may be able to go longer than that.

When it is time to clean it out, just shovel it out. A rake will work fine to get the last of the bigger stuff and make it easier to shovel out. If you really feel you have to, you can try to sweep up the dust, but you really don't have to. Tha dust makes a great addition to your compost but it will not hurt anything to leave it behind on the bottom of your next layer of wood shavings. Whenever you do clean it out, wear a dust mask. If you think the paint fumes were bad, just wait.

2. Run is up next. What needs to be out there? They will have water and food in the coop. Do they need water outside? Food outside? I think we will use sand for the run.

I think sand is an excellent choice for the run. It dries out quickly, they love scratching and bathing in it, and they will get a lot of grit when they eat it. Just make sure your drainage is such that rain water runoff does not run into the run.

Where you feed and water is your choice. You can make arguments for either or both. In Iowa, you will probably want to water inside in the winter to help keep the water thawed. I used a black rubber bowl and watered outside during the winter. If water froze in it, I just turned it over and stomped the ice out. I found that if it was in the sun, it would keep water thawed down to the low 20's but it was normally frozen in the mornings. I like to water outside to keep the wood shavings drier, but people manage both ways. I personally like to feed outside also. I have not had a serious problem with it, but some people wind up feeding a lot iof chicken feed to wild birds if they feed outside. I like it outside so they spend less time in the coop, which decreases the amount of poop dropped in there, and I don't want to encourage rodents to enter the coop. We all have different conditions and management styles. This is the way I do it. I don't consider mine any better or worse than other styles.

3. We want to use hardware cloth and plan to use the apron method. We think it should be tall enough to walk into (right??) What is the maximum size of hardware cloth that would be safe to use on the bottom and on the top. The bottom 2 feet, 3 feet how far up to go with the smaller stuff??

Sounds like you will cover it. It should absolutely be tall enough to walk into. I guarantee you that you will regret it if it is not. And remember to make it several inches taller than the tallest person that will go in there. When you step, you rise up, sometimes several inches. And when figuring the height, remember to include the thickness of your cross braces for the top. If you hit those, you hit the bottoms, not the tops. Yeah, I know, but some people forget that. And the aprons are a great idea.

For me, aprons, tops, sides I'm real happy with 2" x 4" welded wire. That will keep out most serious predators. Snakes, rats, and some weasels can still get in, but I seriously doubt you can keep them out of a decent sized run anyway. They are real hard to keep out. In addition to the 2" x 4" welded wire, I strongly suggest using something at least as small as 1" opening wire around the bottom 18" or so. If it comes in a 2' wide roll, I would not cut off 6" to get down to 18", but if you want to save money and split a 3' roll, it would work. It keeps the chickens from sticking their heads out where a predator can take it off, it keeps some predators from reaching in, and it will keep baby chicks from leaving the run. I don't know if 1" is small enough to keep bantam chicks in, but it should keep large fowl chicks in the run if you go that route for raising them. If someone says that 1/2" is better than 1" openings, I'm not going to argue with them, but I think 1" is small enough. Make sure the chicks cannot get out under the smaller stuff. Chickens will scratch around it, so if you are going to have baby chicks in there, I'd suggest burying the bottom of the smaller stuff about an inch. Should be enough with the apron on the outside.

Good luck with it. I think your chickens are going to like it.
 
OK! I will remove the osb and seal the concrete. Put shower surround stuff around the lower 2 feet or so. Deep litter.

I went to the hardware store today for cement sealer and there are a million different kinds. Some paint, some seal, some very toxic, some slightly less toxic. What brand/type of sealent should I get. They WILL be in the coop by Sunday night. They WILL!
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