Wisconsin "Cheeseheads"

[birdman55]

being in the industry with hydroponics and growing veggies my whole life...growing hydroponically (meaning without the use of soil) for over ten years...and being raised on a 2000 acre farm (this year i will be doing aquaponics which is using fish to supplement fertilizers to the plants using only water (no soil))....people come to the question about bugs....when dealing with mites...weather it be on a bird or plant...some things will work better then others...and yes sevin dust will work on birds...altho it is not meant for birds but still has the same effect on the mites....personally with veggies i will not spray mites with anything you can buy from any store...i make my own habanero spray....and it kills them immediately...and fries some of the mites eggs...with mites they reproduce faster when it is warmer and will multiply every week without question...mites on plants suck the plants juices from the leaves, leaving white sp

 

[birdman55]

ahhhh....it did it again...it cut me off..i had a great write up spending an hour on and only got a third of it to post...
any ways here is some charts...
Diatomaceous Earth (Food-Grade only!) Powder Food-grade diatomaceous earth Garden stores, health food stores, some feed stores 1 lb size:
garden-$6, health food -$20+
50 lb size: feed-$45 Non-chemical, all-natural
Added to feed

 

[birdman55]

ahhh i give up heres a website
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart
the second time now this has cut me off...
Pyrethrins & Piperonyl Butoxide--Technical mix 8 in 1 UltraCare Mite & Lice Bird Spray Pet stores $5 for 8 oz. Lice on birds, mites in cages
Carbaryl Powder Sevin dust 5% Feed stores, garden stores $6-12 Carbamates Mites & lice Don't use Sevin 10% for birds.
Sprinkle in nests, dustbatheing spots, bedding, coop corners &/or on perches & birds, 1-3 times per year.
To apply to birds: Can pour dust some in med.-size bag, put chicken inside & shake.
Dust is somewhat hazardous--Face mask & gloves recommended.
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[birdman55]

i like the part when it says put chicken inside bag and shake...lol...i wont do that

for leg mites i use a combination of epsom salt, iodine, ivomec, and castor oil
gail d recommends putting kerosine on the roosts...
uconn professor reccomends using gasoline and dipping the birds legs in the gas for 45 seconds...
all weird ways to kill mights i guess....sorry for the many posts it wont let me put what i originally typed

 

[birdman55]

Permethrin Maxide Garden & Pet Dust (Note: Use for poultry is off-label) Mites & lice Dust: Sprinkle in nests, dustbatheing spots, bedding, coop corners &/or on perches & birds, 1-3 times per year.
Chemical combination of Camphor & Carbolic Acid Liquid for external use Campho-Phenique General stores, grocery stores, pharmacies General-$4, Grocery-$7 Antiseptic--penetrates & slightly hardens skin; germicide--cleans wounds; parasiticide--helps kill Scaley Leg Mites; local anaesthetic--mild local pain relief Place medicine bottle inside small container to prevent tip-over & spilling. Minimize waste by using eyedropper for applying. S.L. Mites: Most effective if soak & clean out deep pockets before applying medicine.
Moxidectin

Gel (internal use) Quest horse dewormer, Quest Plus (combined with Praziquantel) horse dewormer Feed stores $10 Kills mites (possibly including Scaly Leg Mites), lice & many internal parasites (not including tapeworms) Dose: Pea-size amount for large birds or BB-size for small birds. Give on small piece of bread.
(May be effective for scaley leg mites: Treat 1x/wk for 3 wks)
Caution: Problems might occur with overdose.
Pyrethrum

Liquid spray Kills mites Spray birds on skin (not just feathers) 1x / week for 3 weeks.

Ivermectin

Liquid, paste Ivomec liquid, various brands of horse dewormer pastes Feed stores Kills scaley leg mites, and some internal worms

 

[BayBay Peepers]

all quarters vary ,,  it depends on the size of the animal ..

you say live weight,,  I am thinking you mean hanging weight,,  because you take the live weight of a cow and divide it by 2 to get the approximate weight of meat and bone,,

from a 1000 pound animal, you should get 1000 divide by 2 = 500..  divide that by 4 and you get 125.  about what you got..

there are different ways to come up with 1/4..  take the whole pile of meat and divide it..

or, divide the animal into whole 1/4's   ie two front 1/4's and two hind 1/4's..  the hind 1/4's weighing a bit more than the front 1/4's..

the hind 1/4's will not have any rib cuts with it..

the front 1/4's will have either rib cuts or a bit more hamburger..

IDK how the tenderloin would be divided ..

i think you should end up with about 10 T-bone steaks with the front 1/4 ..  

it all depends on how the meat cutter cuts it up..

and then again, I might be way off on my calculations..

whenever I buy a 1/4 or a 1/2 ,, I figure I am getting screwed out of some of the meat..

the butcher needs to have something to sell across the counter,,

That's where I get confused. I guess I should talk directly to the farmer next time. My cousin will tell me the cow was 1300 lbs for example and your 1/4 is 315 or whatever. So I pay per pound based on that number. (Hanging weight? Right?) Then I pay the processing and ended up with 115 lbs. Does that seem right?

 

[birdman55]

Carbaryl (1-naphthyl methyl carbamate) is one of the three most commonly used insecticides in the United States with an estimated annual use of between 10 and 15 million pounds.3 ... It is a broad-spectrum insecticide and is registered for use on more than 100 different crops, animals, ornamental plants, and indoor areas.4 ... It has been registered in the U.S. since 1958.4 Previously manufactured by Union Carbide,7 the primary U.S. manufacturer is now Rhone Poulenc Agricultural Company; many of its carbaryl-containing products are marketed under the brand name Sevin.8
Mode of Action
Carbaryl is a carbamate insecticide. Like all members of this chemical family, it inhibits the action of an enzyme that is an essential component of insect, fish, bird, and mammal nervous systems. The enzyme, acetyl cholinesterase (AChE), controls the chemical reaction that transforms acetylcholine into choline after acetylcholine has been used to transmit nerve impulses across the junctions between nerves. Without functioning AChE, acetylcholine accumulates and prevents the smooth transmission of nerve impulses.9 This causes loss of normal muscle control, and ultimately death. The AChE inhibition is said to be reversible because the carbaryl disassociates from the AChE within several hours. This happens even if death has already occurred. Insecticides in the organophosphate family (malathion and diazinon, for example) also inhibit AChE, but the inhibition is not as readily reversible.10
Carbaryl can also affect a number of other enzyme systems in living things. For example, the carboxylesterases (detoxification enzymes),11 lactic dehydrogenase (enzymes that utilize sugar),12 and serine esterases (enzymes important to the function of certain immune system components)13 are all inhibited by carbaryl.

Carbaryl's extensive and varied uses account for the frequent occurrence of residues on food. In addition, though carbaryl is generally thought to have "short term residual properties,"3 under certain conditions it can be persistent. For example, carbaryl sprayed on bean leaves at least ten hours before rainfall was washed away slowly and "never attained 100 percent dissipation."4 Chickens treated for mites with a carbaryl dip laid eggs with carbaryl residues for 56 days after treatment

can read the whole article...but it sounds not so good to use...
http://www.healthyworld.org/sevin.html

 

[Celtic Chick]

i like the part when it says put chicken inside bag and shake...lol...i wont do that

for leg mites i use a combination of epsom salt, iodine, ivomec, and castor oil
gail d recommends putting kerosine on the roosts...
uconn professor reccomends using gasoline and dipping the birds legs in the gas for 45 seconds...
all weird ways to kill mights i guess....sorry for the many posts it wont let me put what i originally typed

I say let the professor dip his own legs in gasoline and let us know how he likes it.

I had a bird that had a pretty bad case of scaley leg mites. The one thing that worked wonderfully was a can of vegetable oil cooking spray like Pam. No mixing, no mess.. Easy peasy and safe enough to eat.

ETA--For other mites/lice, IF I had them on my birds, I would treat them individually with Sevin and be done with it. But for maintenance on any given day, I always keep their dust bath filled with a mix of dirt, sand, DE and wood ash to keep the pests at bay.

 

[jvls1942]

Quote: the way you just described would be live weight,, split your share in half and it comes to roughly 150 pounds

I don't shop for groceries,,,, I mentioned this to my wife, and she said that hamburger is $4.90 a pound,, so what you paid is well within the ballpark..

I would not buy beef with a go between,, go directly to the seller..
If the go between says that he is the only one that the seller will deal with, find a different seller.

 

[ACSchueler]

What are 3 week old chicks going for? Buff orpington and welsummer if that helps...?