Worming chickens

[dawg53]

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Use valbazen (albendazole)
http://healthybirds.umd.edu/Disease/Deworming Birds.pdf

 

[bowtie]

Ask any vet. Sigh...perhaps you should follow your own opinion...


INTERNAL PARASITE CONTROL: Food grade diatomaceous earth makes a very effective natural insecticide. The insecticidal quality of diatomaceous earth is due to the razor sharp edges of the diatom remains. When diatomaceous earth comes in contact with the insects, the sharp edges lacerate the bugs waxy exoskeleton and then the powdery diatomaceous earth absorbs the body fluids causing death from dehydration.

Food grade diatomaceous earth has been used for at least two decades as a natural wormer for livestock. Some believe diatomaceous earth scratches and dehydrates parasites. Some scientists believe that diatomaceous earth is a de-ionizer or de-energizer of worms or parasites. Regardless, people report definite control. To be most effective, food grade diatomaceous earth must be fed long enough to catch all newly hatching eggs or cycling of the worms through the lungs and back to the stomach. A minimum of 60 days is suggested by many, 90 days is advised for lungworms.

Food grade diatomaceous earth works in a purely physical/mechanical manner, not "chemical" and thus has no chemical toxicity. Best yet, parasites don’t build up a tolerance/immunity to its chemical reaction, so rotation of wormers is unnecessary.

People often ask why our DE is rated Food Chemical Codex Grade. If it was only labeled as "food" grade, people would think it is only useful as a food supplement and since DE "acts" like a chemical by dehydrating insects, it was labeled "Chemical" grade since it acts like a chemical, but it is NOT a true chemical like a pesticide or insecticide. It is perfectly safe for oral consumption.


http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.html

http://poultrykeeper.com/common-articles-to-all-poultry/health/diatomaceous-earth-for-poultry.html

http://www.purepermaguard.com/diatomaceous-earth-for-chickens.php

 

[Annie84]

With my dogs, I've used DE for pest control and plan to use it with my chickens. I have not had any problems with worms, at all since I have started using it. Unless I see a change in that, it is what I will continue to use. Also, with many wormers, you have to discard eggs for so long when you use them, don't you?

 

[alpha_mare]

I used to raise tropical fish and we use diatomaceous earth in our filters to kill parasites. The point of using it is that the diatom skeletons (which look like white powder to us) are spiky balls that pierce and kill small organisms. It is successful in clarifying water as well since a clump of it, even moist or completely saturated, will create a filter due to the spikes creating a mesh to trap particulates. It is also used in pool filters for this reason and creates a superior water clarity and slight ph buffer. I hadn't thought of using it with the chickens. Thanks! I'm not so sure how quickly the digestive juices break down the diatomaceous earth and I'm sure the quality matters. The stuff for pool filters is usually infused with chlorine, although we used to dechlorinate it by soaking it in water and rinsing it, also there are chemicals we use to remove chlorine. I don't know where you get the other kind, it is hard to find, even for pools nowadays.

I picked up a bottle of piperazine wormer at the feed store, it was cheap, like 7.50 and I used a quarter teaspoon for a gallon of water for 13 chickens, per my feed store owners guidance, we are big in commercial poultry where I live, and backyard, nearly everyone has chickens or had them. The great thing is that I can also use this on my dogs and cats and saves me bigtime on money.

I know it won't kill all of them and I will likely have to rotate like I did with my horses. I'm just afraid to use anything that doesn't say its safe for poultry specifically.

We have a bug problem as far as fire ants go, and I feel bad for the chickens since they can't eat them fast enough. The DE is quite effective on this, we use it all the the on fire ant beds. Plain ashes are a good deterrant as well and agricultural lime, bugs don't like powder on their feet and bodies, it adheres to the hairs on them and irritates them so they avoid areas in general where this is spread.

 

[bowtie]

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Click on the links I posted...

I've been in the Organic amendment business for many years, there have been countless studies, many by big name Universities that verify the benefits of food grade DE when used internally, I have used it for over 10 years myself, and have seen the changes firsthand...

From the link...

Every type of animal or bird that has had these products added to their diet show many positive results, any one of which makes it profitable for an owner to include it in their rations.

This is very true with chickens, especially those in the CHICKEN FACTORIES. Everv day hundreds of dead chickens are hauled away to be buried. A DEAD CHICKEN DOES NOT PRODUCE MANY EGGS

When FOSSIL SHELL FLOUR is added to their rations. the death rate drops dramatically.

The very first weeks shows a valuable increase in the number of eggs produced
Egg breakage decreases. The silicon makes the shells much harder. Anvone breaking an egg on the edge of a frying pan will be very aware of this.

The manure odor of the house decreases, making it a much more pleasant place to work in, and is probably healthier for the chickens. This lowering of the odor is very likely due to the more complete digestion of the protein in the feed.

The Diatomaceous Earth in the rations passes through the birds into the manure, making it impossible for fly larva to hatch. Making no other control efforts, the Fly population should decrease around 90% within two weeks.

Litter Bugs are greatly reduced, but to make it even better, if the manure is-dusted with DE once a week, they will be reduced almost to zero.

 

[dawg53]

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Please continue to use DE in an attempt to worm your chickens. When you see that it doesnt work, feel free to PM me and I'll help you get rid of them. Dont believe what the sales people tell
you about DE. Have you ever noticed that they state (as you stated) that DE kills internal parasites? Then they turn around and state that it wont harm earthworms, that earthworms even carry it though the soil in the compost! Large roundworms are the same length as most earthworms! Contradicting what they claim! It's a sales pitch. I use DE as do many others for what it's purpose is...a drying agent to keep coops, pens, moisture out of feed. It may help prevent lice and mites...but not an infestation. Do you know how it got it's designation as "Food Grade?" It was designated by the federal government solely for farmers to keep their feed dry and bug free in grain storage bins. The companies caught on to this and decided to sell it and advertise with their sales pitch how great DE is for everything including curing human diseases...to sell to people like you and me and make money. I was in the DE trap like many others on here and believed what they said about it being a wormer...I learned real quick that it's not a wormer when I took fecal samples to my vet. I told my vet about DE and he laughed and shook his head! That was good enough answer for me. This happened many years ago. If you truly love DE, use it for what it's good for as I mentioned. Use true wormers to keep your chickens healthy and long life. Good luck.

 

[dawg53]

Quote:
Click on the links I posted...

I've been in the Organic amendment business for many years, there have been countless studies, many by big name Universities that verify the benefits of food grade DE when used internally, I have used it for over 10 years myself, and have seen the changes firsthand...

From the link...

Every type of animal or bird that has had these products added to their diet show many positive results, any one of which makes it profitable for an owner to include it in their rations.

This is very true with chickens, especially those in the CHICKEN FACTORIES. Everv day hundreds of dead chickens are hauled away to be buried. A DEAD CHICKEN DOES NOT PRODUCE MANY EGGS

When FOSSIL SHELL FLOUR is added to their rations. the death rate drops dramatically.

The very first weeks shows a valuable increase in the number of eggs produced
Egg breakage decreases. The silicon makes the shells much harder. Anvone breaking an egg on the edge of a frying pan will be very aware of this.

The manure odor of the house decreases, making it a much more pleasant place to work in, and is probably healthier for the chickens. This lowering of the odor is very likely due to the more complete digestion of the protein in the feed.

The Diatomaceous Earth in the rations passes through the birds into the manure, making it impossible for fly larva to hatch. Making no other control efforts, the Fly population should decrease around 90% within two weeks.

Litter Bugs are greatly reduced, but to make it even better, if the manure is-dusted with DE once a week, they will be reduced almost to zero.

Well, this explains it....you're a salesman. ETA: I'm done here.

 

[bowtie]

edited to remove trolling

 

[Judy]

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