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[aart]

So I got a fecal test done on my new puppy and it came back positive for heterakis gallinarum. I'm not concerned for the pup as it is a species specific parasite. My concern is for my birds.

The pup ate a single poop. (He's eight weeks old, I've been watching him like a hawk, and my birds have been locked up for the most part since before he arrived due to an actual hawk incident.)

Does this mean my birds likely have a huge parasite load? It's probably in my soil, so is it worth worming? I have Valbazen on hand and 3 of my birds have decided to go broody and aren't laying anyway so an egg withdrawal wouldn't make me feel as bad. I don't have turkeys so I'm not worried even though these are the same worms that carry blackhead. Advice?

Maybe get a fecal done on the birds...and ask for a count to determine what the load really is?

 

[casportpony]

So I got a fecal test done on my new puppy and it came back positive for heterakis gallinarum. I'm not concerned for the pup as it is a species specific parasite. My concern is for my birds.

The pup ate a single poop. (He's eight weeks old, I've been watching him like a hawk, and my birds have been locked up for the most part since before he arrived due to an actual hawk incident.)

Does this mean my birds likely have a huge parasite load? It's probably in my soil, so is it worth worming? I have Valbazen on hand and 3 of my birds have decided to go broody and aren't laying anyway so an egg withdrawal wouldn't make me feel as bad. I don't have turkeys so I'm not worried even though these are the same worms that carry blackhead. Advice?

Chickens can get blackhead, though not as easily as turkeys and peafowl. It would be best to gather up a bunch of fresh poop from as many birds as possible, place in baggie, stir well, and have it checked for worms eggs. Or, since you already have Valbazen, you could just worm them with it.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

I've sat out there for a few hours trying to catch one poop run checked no worms I think only 1 is pooping them out but I'm sure they all have them seeing I'm not sure what kind of worms they have I'll treat with wazine and follow up with the safe guard if I can find it at my feed store will that work?

You need to figure out what worms they have and use *one* wormer. Ignore any old post that says to use Wazine followed by Safeguard. This is not an effective way to de-worm.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Fenbendazole works well given five days in a row, and repeated later. It's approved for use overseas, but not here, so if you use it, look up the egg withdrawal period there. It's on google somewhere .

Mary

Safeguard 10% (100mg/ml) given 5 days in a row, in very small amounts (0.004 ml per pound or 0.03 ml per six pound chicken), will treat large roundworms and cecal worms only. That dose has zero egg withdrawal in the UK, zero day meat withdrawal in the US.

Problem is that the literature I read says that it should *not* be used if a a bird has capillary worms.
http://fs-1.5mpublishing.com/images/MSD/PDF/PAP%20PBulletin%20v8c%20FINAL.pdf



@Folly's place , maybe you can explain this better for me?

-Kathy

 

[Folly's place]

The answer is; IT"S A ROYAL PAIN! Fenbendazole given in drinking water won't get the same dose into every bird every day, promoting resistance. Catching every bird for five days running to give an oral dose isn't going to happen here either. There is drug resistance developing some places by some parasites, maybe not everywhere to everything. Having fecals run does help, and worst case, necropsies done also helps. I'm using Ivermectin totally off label here, with good success, also for mites. UGH! I wish there were approved effective choices, and so far there really aren't. I hadn't seen the above bulletin before, either. Mary

 

[Folly's place]

I see that label is from 2014. Wonder what a new label would say??? Mary

 

[casportpony]

I see that label is from 2014.  Wonder what a new label would say???  Mary

Here's a data sheet that says the same thing:
http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/MSD...nking_water_for_pigs_and_chickens/-64206.html

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

The answer is;  IT"S A ROYAL PAIN!  Fenbendazole given in drinking water won't get the same dose into every bird every day, promoting resistance.  Catching every bird for five days running to give an oral dose isn't going to happen here either.  There is drug resistance developing some places by some parasites, maybe not everywhere to everything.  Having fecals run does help, and worst case, necropsies done also helps.  I'm using Ivermectin totally off label here, with good success, also for mites.  UGH!  I wish there were approved effective choices, and so far there really aren't.  I hadn't seen the above bulletin before, either.  Mary

You're right, and non-laying birds drink less than laying hens, growing birds drink more, sick ones might not be drinking much.

I guess one could try that Rooster Booster product with hygromycin B, but I have no idea how effective that is.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Important note! The fenbendazole that's sold in smaller bottles at feed stores (Safeguard for goats) is *not* water soluble.

-Kathy

 

[chicky25ad]

I put my leghorns in a crate that was sitting on a sheet of plywood all day today I inspected every deposit no visible worms I'm wondering if it was actually worms I seen the other day it's getting frustersting