Yet another sex-linked color question!

[DylansMom]

So we need help from the experts again. Q8 and I have been discussing the color Peach, and we have found that our understanding of how this color works differs on at least one point.... so we thought we would ask all of you.

If we paired a Cameo Pied WE split to Peach male with a hen that is say Spalding Pied would they be able to produce any male offspring that are split to Peach, or not? And if not can someone explain the why to us? Many thanks in advance!

 

[Arbor]

 So we need help from the experts again. Q8 and I have been discussing the color Peach, and we have found that our understanding of how this color works differs on at least one point.... so we thought we would ask all of you.  If we paired a Cameo Pied WE split to Peach male with a hen that is say Spalding Pied would they be able to produce any male offspring that are split to Peach, or not? And if not can someone explain the why to us? Many thanks in advance!

Yes, 50% of all male offspring should be split to peach! while the other 50% should be split cameo.

 

[DylansMom]

Yes, 50% of all male offspring should be split to peach! while the other 50% should be split cameo.

Is there a school of thought out there that would say, you could only get 100% split to Cameo males from this breeding?

And thanks very much for helping us figure this out!

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

Yes, 50% of all male offspring should be split to peach! while the other 50% should be split cameo.

I have been wrong as always then

, is there a way to tell which chicks are split peach?

 

[DylansMom]

I have been wrong as always then

, is there a way to tell which chicks are split peach?

You are not "always" wrong. I have seen you be correct on many questions on this topic! These Sex-linked colors are not so bad by themselves, but when we are talking about sex-linked colors derived from previous sex-linked colors, I am often very confused as well. That is why it is so nice that people with more knowledge are willing to answer our questions.

 

[Arbor]

Is there a school of thought out there that would say, you could only get 100% split to Cameo males from this breeding?

And thanks very much for helping us figure this out!

Genetics is like gambling....there is a possibility that you could get 100% split to cameo males, but that would be unlikely, given one male chromosome carries cameo, and the other peach (assuming my genetic terminology is correct).

When trying to understand peach, it can be difficult when you start working with birds that are split to the parent colour. I have seen/owned birds that were cameo split peach, however I have yet to see purple split peach! Maybe I'll try that this year, I do have a spare purple sp hen I could match with my peach white eyed male. Technically I should get purple split peach males and peach females from this breeding. That is actually an interesting conclusion! How to breed for sexing purple males at birth! Thanks for the insight DylansMom!

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

Genetics is like gambling....there is a possibility that you could get 100% split to cameo males, but that would be unlikely, given one male chromosome carries cameo, and the other peach (assuming my genetic terminology is correct).

When trying to understand peach, it can be difficult when you start working with birds that are split to the parent colour. I have seen/owned birds that were cameo split peach, however I have yet to see purple split peach! Maybe I'll try that this year, I do have a spare purple sp hen I could match with my peach white eyed male. Technically I should get purple split peach males and peach females from this breeding. That is actually an interesting conclusion! How to breed for sexing purple males at birth! Thanks for the insight DylansMom!

I would love to see your peach w/e male

 

[Arbor]

He's only two, so he doesn't have much of a train. When I get him outside in his flight, I will try and get some pics

 

[DylansMom]

Genetics is like gambling....there is a possibility that you could get 100% split to cameo males, but that would be unlikely, given one male chromosome carries cameo, and the other peach (assuming my genetic terminology is correct).

When trying to understand peach, it can be difficult when you start working with birds that are split to the parent colour. I have seen/owned birds that were cameo split peach, however I have yet to see purple split peach! Maybe I'll try that this year, I do have a spare purple sp hen I could match with my peach white eyed male. Technically I should get purple split peach males and peach females from this breeding. That is actually an interesting conclusion! How to breed for sexing purple males at birth! Thanks for the insight DylansMom!

No idea how I was responsible for that insight, but you are more than welcome!

I have a Purple male, and in a year or two my Peach hens will be breeding age. If I were to pair them up I assume female offspring would be Purple, would male offspring be Peach split to Purple?

 

[AugeredIn]

So we need help from the experts again. Q8 and I have been discussing the color Peach, and we have found that our understanding of how this color works differs on at least one point.... so we thought we would ask all of you.

If we paired a Cameo Pied WE split to Peach male with a hen that is say Spalding Pied would they be able to produce any male offspring that are split to Peach, or not? And if not can someone explain the why to us? Many thanks in advance!

Every male would be split Cameo (I'll explain below). 50% of the males will be split peach. Half of the hens would be cameo and half of the hens would be peach.

Ok so the only way a bird can be cameo split peach would be if peach is cameo genes and purple genes on the same chromosome and at different locations. So on one chromosome you have just the cameo mutation and the other chromosome has both cameo and purple genes. The male can either pass the cameo only gene or the cameo/purple gene.

Note that I have never owned a cameo or purple bird split peach so I cannot confirm that it exists. Obviously, other folks do claim to have them and I have no reason to doubt they exist.