Young (3-4 months old) roo fading away :( Update - no cocci found, but fading continues...

[cowcreekgeek]

OK, just wanted to say that our doc gave the go ahead for the Albendazole solution for sheep - once I get it, I will have to figure out the dose which he kindly offered to do for me as well.

Will update!

I'm guessing that's the Valbazen

(second anthelmentic in my previous post). The dosage of the actual Albendazole is usually suggested at 10 mg/kg, but based upon multiple studies of efficacy, I suggest 20 mg/kg for both Fenbendazole and Albendazole ...

Was just gettin' ready to, when I spotted your next (this) post ... good deal ~'-)

 

[Dudu]

Daniel, please help.... My doc is out of reach today (on leave), how do I figure out the dosage?

On the bottle it says a 10% oral solution, given orally by syringe,
dosage: cattle 15 ml/100 kg
sheep: 7,5 ml/50 kg

Do I dilute with water and leave to drink (I can list you ingredients on the bottle) or directly in mouth?

 

[cowcreekgeek]

Daniel, please help.... My doc is out of reach today (on leave), how do I figure out the dosage?

On the bottle it says a 10% oral solution, given orally by syringe,
dosage: cattle 15 ml/100 kg
sheep: 7,5 ml/50 kg

Do I dilute with water and leave to drink (I can list you ingredients on the bottle) or directly in mouth?

Yes, you'll have to provide that information -- ideally? I'd like to know:

• Brand Name, and type of product.
• Active Ingredient(s).
• Percentage of the active ingredient it contains, by weight.

I'll contact a few others, just to be sure, once I have these details ~'-)

:: edit ::
Removed the additional information, as it can better be seen w/in this post, w/in this same thread: >>peck here<< to open it in a new window ~'-)
:: /edit ::

 

[cowcreekgeek]

It's been three hours since, and just in case I miss the opportunity to later respond ...

I'm gonna guess this is Panacur, a 10% solution, w/ the active ingredient fenbendazole.
If this is true, then the following applies:

The dosage I suggest folks use is 20 mg per kilogram of body weight, for three consecutive days.
casportpony commonly suggests 50 mg/kg bw, as a single dosage.

My reasoning is that this is the minimum dosage required to eliminate gapeworms, along w/ everything else (except tapeworms, if present), and this reduces the load in such a way as to not possibly cause blockages, or the surge of protein they could receive from digesting the dead/dying worms.

1ml of Pancur 10% oral solution contains 100mg of the active ingredient fenbendazole.
1 kilogram is equal to 2.20462 pounds.

Rather than mixing w/ water, I would gently work the dosage into as few dry pellets as would remain intact, provided that amount could be easily consumed by the bird w/in an afternoon.

 

[Dudu]

Sorry, Daniel, duh.... My fault!

Since I went for Albendazole as the best possible option, I found this in Malta (just in case anyone from Malta is reading it, it was at Borg Cardona vet supplies at Marsa and cost 10 EUR for a 250 ml bottle):

The product is: Rombendazol 10% (made in Romania by Romvac Company SA, I think we buy rabbit vaccine by this brand also)
Active ingredient: Albendazol ..... 10 g
(exactly what is says on the bottle): Excipient (carboximetilceluloza sodica, acid benzoic, Tween 80, alcohol etilic si apa (water in Romanian, as Google translate suggests) deonizata ad ................. 100 ml

In adverse reactions it says something about cases of "massive infestations of parasites", toxines and producing "fenomene nervoase" characterized by ataxia, astasia, adynamia (come to think of it - maybe that is why Lenny was unable to peck as normal for a few days???)

Administration - orally by syringe. It is recommended to do this treatment 4 times a year (for cattle, mentions months to do it etc). Recommended to repeat the treatment in 24 hours.

Can I just give it to him with a syringe in his mouth, maybe diluted by water? Say, if the dosage and proportions of active ingredient are the same as above for Panacur, 0.2 ml with about 1 ml of water? I can put it on the pellets too, I am sure he will eat them, he eats so well thank God...

Thanks so much Daniel for all your help and patience!

 

[cowcreekgeek]

Sorry, Daniel, duh.... My fault!

Since I went for Albendazole as the best possible option, I found this in Malta (just in case anyone from Malta is reading it, it was at Borg Cardona vet supplies at Marsa and cost 10 EUR for a 250 ml bottle):

The product is: Rombendazol 10% (made in Romania by Romvac Company SA, I think we buy rabbit vaccine by this brand also)
Active ingredient: Albendazol ..... 10 g
(exactly what is says on the bottle): Excipient (carboximetilceluloza sodica, acid benzoic, Tween 80, alcohol etilic si apa (water in Romanian, as Google translate suggests) deonizata ad ................. 100 ml

In adverse reactions it says something about cases of "massive infestations of parasites", toxines and producing "fenomene nervoase" characterized by ataxia, astasia, adynamia (come to think of it - maybe that is why Lenny was unable to peck as normal for a few days???)

Administration - orally by syringe. It is recommended to do this treatment 4 times a year (for cattle, mentions months to do it etc). Recommended to repeat the treatment in 24 hours.

Can I just give it to him with a syringe in his mouth, maybe diluted by water? Say, if the dosage and proportions of active ingredient are the same as above for Panacur, 0.2 ml with about 1 ml of water? I can put it on the pellets too, I am sure he will eat them, he eats so well thank God...

Thanks so much Daniel for all your help and patience!

Been stayin' up, waitin' for your response ...

Yes, Ma'am ... it sounds like a good solution (no pun intended ~'-)

That'd be 0.2 milliliter, if he weighs 2-1/4 pounds. It's better to be *slightly* over on the dosage, than any under.

As you can see from the following Abstract of study, the ideal dosage is the same: 20 milligrams per kilogram of body weight for Albendazole:


Determination of the Anthelmintic Efficacy of Albendazole in the Treatment of Chickens Naturally Infected with Gastrointestinal Helminths
Department of Animal Science, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 72701

↵1Corresponding author: *** edited to remove email ***

Primary Audience: Flock Supervisors, Production Managers, Veterinarians

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Abstract

In the spring of 2006, 60 naturally infected hens obtained from a broiler-breeder farm in northwest Arkansas were used in a controlled titration study to determine the anthelmintic efficacy of albendazole in the treatment of both nematode and cestode infections. Albendazole was used at the dose rates of 0.0, 5.0, 10.0, and 20.0 mg/kg of BW, with all treatments given individually as an oral suspension on d 0 (split doses) and with necropsies for parasite collection conducted on d 7. There were 15 birds per treatment group. Statistically significant (P < 0.05) reductions in worm burdens from control levels were seen at the 5.0 mg/kg dose level for adult and larval stages of Ascaridia galli, Heterakis gallinarum, and Capillaria obsignata. A significant (P < 0.05) reduction in the numbers of Raillietina cesticillus (scolexes) from control group levels was seen only at the 20.0 mg/kg rate of treatment. For albendazole given at the rates of 5.0, 10.0, and 20.0 mg/kg, respective anthelmintic efficacies based on geometric means were 87.7, 91.2, and 98.2% (A. galli larvae); 100.0, 100.0, and 100.0% (A. galli adults); 96.9, 95.7, and 98.9% (H. gallinarum larvae); 92.7, 95.4, and 94.9% (H. gallinarum adults); 90.3, 91.3, and 95.1% (C. obsignata larvae and adults combined); and 73.1, 73.1, and 96.2% (R. cesticillus). No adverse reactions to albendazole were observed in this study.

 

[Dudu]

Daniel, thank you so very much...

So tomorrow morning I will give him about 0.1 ml (or a bit more) of it, diluted with water to make a full milliliter, ok? He doesn't weigh a kilo, I think about 500-600 grams (a bit over a pound) - I can compare to my tiny mini henny that was weighed previously at the doctor's.

And then I will repeaet it the next morning, correct?

Thanks a lot!!!

 

[cowcreekgeek]

Daniel, thank you so very much...

So tomorrow morning I will give him about 0.1 ml (or a bit more) of it, diluted with water to make a full milliliter, ok? He doesn't weigh a kilo, I think about 500-600 grams (a bit over a pound) - I can compare to my tiny mini henny that was weighed previously at the doctor's.

And then I will repeaet it the next morning, correct?

Thanks a lot!!!

NO repeat -- single dosage w/ Albendazole (it's fenbendazole that is given three consecutive days).

From the MSDS, I found Valbazen has a specific gravity of 1.05, which should be very similar to this product (probably more like 1.04).

0.1 ml x 1.04 x 100 mg = 10.4 mg of Albendazole, which is enough to treat exactly a 1 pound 2-1/3 ounce bird.

 

[Dudu]

Thank you, done! Now fingers crossed.....

 

[cowcreekgeek]

Thank you, done! Now fingers crossed.....

Uncross your fingers (it's hard to type, and your roo's already plenty lucky enough ~'-)