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Danny had told me the same thing at least that long ago it seems. I do know that John Castagnetti's gold and silver duckwings had originally come from Danny. The pullets were a stippled silver duckwing pattern and were not silver wheaton. Fit in with John's own stippled dark reds just fine.

Wynette Location: Michigan Joined: 9/2007 Posts: 19,910 offline Listen, anyone who feels they were "run off the thread" needs to grow a thicker skin IF they desire to breed toward SOP. And yes, it's fine to disagree and have a differing opinion. The problem comes in when these...

It does seem that there are different ideas as to what discussion is or might be. "...working together/sharing information..." does not have to mean that we are all in agreement or will approach our programs in the same way. If someone tosses out their own ideas it stands to reason that there...

Not just a light hackle but a shaded hackle. A BRIGHT hackle. I think it was Saladin that made the comparison to fire and with the shading from top to bottom and that brightness it's a grand comparison.

When I described some red duckwings as being mud colored a friend who is much more into the actual genetic factors than I am said that that was the mahogany factor. And I am familiar with melanizers in another breed and nothing we should want about our Cubalayas suggests melanizing or that mud...

This was our own experience as well. It helps tremendously to have some experience with the line at hand or being developed. Things tend to seem much more clear than the somewhat floundering beginning years. I will say those birds that seemed completely finished out and the most impressive...

Experinced breeders know what you have been lucky enough to latch on to from the get go. Conditioning is a matter of simple basics and no hocus pocus or magic formulas. These birds are beautifully raised and just plain beautiful. Thanks for sharing with all of us.

I have to wonder if the SOP described birds would carry mahogany. When that factor is mentioned in connection with other breeds the effect is a general darkening of all red tones. Our SOP Cubalayas are tio be that bright flashing fire color attained by thr shading from skull to the shawl or...

Some of this I would agree with. Color bred canaries are just that; bred to be really good at taking on color from substances that will color any buff/yellow ground canary. They just do it better. As for chickens all the old time buff breeders I ever knew would remind those of us who love the...

Jeremy, That's not by any chance Luke Vaughn who moved out there from New Hampshire a number of years ago is it? He had Scottish Blackface sheep and some Hyacinth pigeons though if it's him no idea what he's been up to lately.

Gallo, I very much like the general impression your hen presents. Looks like she'd have the true lobster tail as well and this is often missing on some of the birds being worked with. The stock I was familiar with that had been inbred from Schmudde's stock were as you have described your Zook...

The answer to your question about what to partner your buff with would be, from me, to ignore the color and breed the buff to something that you feel will help foster improvement in the areas needed. What sex is this buff bird? That will affect what you get visually but the main thing is to...

What a great post. A few comments and a couple of photos worth a thousand words.

Same here. So you don't breed colored Sebastopols either, yet you are qualified to evaluate them and not I? Do all judges breed all breeds and varieties which they judge? I don't breed colored Sebastopols but evaluating them is no different than evaluating the white birds except for color. I...

There is a great deal of difference between offering the opinion that you don't care for the colored stock vs the idea that you are offering a learned evaluation of that same stock. As far as licensed judges and evaluating what gets shown send me an email and I'll be so crass as to show you what...

It is true that lack of uniform terminology can be confusing. This is especially true when dealing with both sides of the pond as often the same visual expression/genetics are called by two or more different names They have a name and we have a name and when writing but not dealing with clear...

Here's a couple things we know about color but that still get us confused when seeing birds right in front of us. A single genetic color, like gray, can have many different expressions from a very light shade to a very dark, rich shade. This can vary from breed to breed and who knows why...

Celtic, if thinking that I don't know Jack Droppings about the lilacs I am even more lost with what you might call the pastels. We do know that there are dilute factors existing in other goose breeds. It's certainly possible with the Sebastopols. Anything color wise with these guys can be...

Celtic, you had mentioned the lilacs and pastels and first I will share some thoughts that came out of a conversation with Peter Banks about the lilacs. When I first saw pictures of your Peaches I thought "Oh, I've seen that before only gray". Fourty years ago the buff American was not a well...