Poulin Grain??

[oldhenlikesdogs]

I see it has lots of corn. I eat a lot of soy because I'm a vegetarian, that's why I asked. I find the no soy thing weird. I would guess it has to do with GMO.

My feed is locally based too. I would try it and see how they like it and whether your birds seem to do well on it.

I personally don't feed a layer, and don't like that everyone gets the same calcium whether they are laying or not.

It has a good protein content though, so that part is good. Won't know until you try it I guess.

 

[ShrekDawg]

I didn't notice that before but you're right :/ I assume the other does too but they don't list the ingredients on the site so not sure. And ohhh okay, that makes sense. I have noticed there is a lot of soy in vegetarian things. I'm not but I've looked. I think everything affects everyone differently. Yeah, it is sort of weird, especially since it doesn't even say non GMO so why go through the trouble? But it is nice for people who prefer it though or maybe make them think it's healthier.

Yeah, I like the idea of giving a local company a chance but no one ever carried it before except one much further away one so this might be good. I think I'll try it and see how they do. I haven't noticed too much difference on any food though.

Yeah, I've heard too much calcium is bad even for females who aren't producing which is actually why I switched to Flock Raiser for the winter. No one was laying really (well, hardly) so it didn't seem safe or make sense to keep them the layer feed. I knew it was bad for chicks and roosters but didn't realize for non producing hens too until someone told me. But now everybody is laying again which is why I'm switching back to layer feed. Plus I like supporting our local feed store better than TSC anyway. If I had a rooster or chicks though I would just feed one feed, probably an all flock/flock raiser or starter/grower.

Yeah, I do like the higher protein because they get treats and free range sometimes so it keeps the protein higher and not watered down aha. Even their regular layer is 16.5% instead of 16%.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

Countries where soy is consumed more, people live longer healthier lives, so I do wonder where the no soy thing came from. Maybe someone will let us both know.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Wow really? That's so interesting.

Now I'm confused and conflicted on what to do because I've heard it's bad but also now good

 

[TalkALittle]

Poulin is a good feed. I used it for a while until I switched only because I now go to a feed store closer to me that carries a different brand.

Poulin has a good turkey/gamebird starter that I still will buy in the fall to add to my girls feed during their molt.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Thanks for info on it! That's good to know it's a good feed and makes me feel better ha

I'll keep the gamebird feed in mind too for fall

 

[Noreaster Egger]

Wow really? That's so interesting.

Now I'm confused and conflicted on what to do because I've heard it's bad but also now good

I think the soy thing is a correlation rather than causation. People eating soy tend to eat other healthier foods too. I avoid soy like the plague except I'll have some fermented natto once in a blue moon for the vitamin K2. Soy is loaded with phytoestrogens which can increase breast cancer risk in women and give men more feminine characteristics.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

I think the soy thing is a correlation rather than causation. People eating soy tend to eat other healthier foods too. I avoid soy like the plague except I'll have some fermented natto once in a blue moon for the vitamin K2. Soy is loaded with phytoestrogens which can increase breast cancer risk in women and give men more feminine characteristics.

This I will disagree with. As a person who eats soy and has had an estrogen based cancer the belief that soy mimics estrogen isn't true. Plant based components aren't the same as animal based. I eat soy without fear because it isn't true. If it was it would have put an end to these dang hot flashes.

 

[Noreaster Egger]

Back to the topic of feed though...

I don't think soy-based feed is that bad. I remember reading a blog post from Mark Sisson about this a few years ago. I'll have to see if I can find it. The soy-fed hens had higher amounts of the soy found in the yolks, but it paled in comparison to that found in soy products. I believe he was more concerned about the excessive omega-6 PUFAs in the feed rather than the soy. Most soy-free feeds have a lot of corn in them anyway. If you're going the lower O-6 route you'll want something without corn and soy as a base and higher in omega 3's and 9's.

I actually give my birds the soy feed for their ferment. The dry pellets (which they eat little of) is the soy-free layer feed from Green Mountain Feeds. I'd love to make a feed minimizing the O-6 content, but it's too cost prohibitive for me right now to make up my own feed. I give them some occasional coconut and sardines to lean the yolk nutrient profile more where I want it.

 

[Noreaster Egger]

Found it.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/soy-...y-acifiying-meditative-state-preventing-meat/