Will the government take away your chickens?

[RHRanch]

It would not be forced, it would be a choice... pro-choice even if I may say. Get a norplant or no foodstamps... or welfare but not forced, you can always say no thank you... and get a job. Unemployment makes you look for a job or at least it used to I am not so sure about that anymore because 3 years is a long time to look for a job without somehow not finding one... another one of the hope and change policies... or should I say dope and shame.

That is forcing and manipulation of a vulnerable population. Its not much of a choice if you are desperate, and why on earth should the citizens of our country put up with the gov't forcing medications and/or removal of reproductive rights? By the way, most of our "entitlement" spending is on the people over 65, and most people on welfare are white women with children.

But hey, if dad leaves and a woman finds herself and her two kids destitute, she should be punished and forced to be sterilized, that makes perfect sense.....

 

[chickened]

It is still a choice, are you not for choice?

Hitler was big on sterilization. Are you saying you want that kind of socialism and removal of freedom by the gov't?

 

[RHRanch]

It is still a choice, are you not for choice?

LOL Are you serious? Ask the poor, gypsies, handicapped and the jews if it was a choice. Wow, you are seriously out of touch with reality.

 

[cupman]

I don't even know why we are talking about sterilization. It would never garner support from either side because most people aren't so unethical or naive to suggest it would be a viable solution.

 

[chickened]

Ok, we will call it temporary ban on child bearing until a responsible means of support is produced. Enforcing child support laws is an option. What if mom leaves is that different? What if dad pretends to leave to get benefits? You really have no clue the depth of fraud in social programs. You keep ignoring the abusers of which I am referring and try to spin it that I am only after the ones that need the welfare. I was on welfare as a child and my mother was left by my father whaen I was five with 3 other children and my mother was on welfare/foodstamps for about 2 years and then was never on it again so do not tell me it cannot be done or that it is a long term program. My mother wanted off welfare and she managed to do it with 4 kids to feed. Of course her kids were all by one man and she did not keep having them either... maybe that is part of the solution.

People are forced and manipulated as you describe it for many things, buy one get one free, 2 year commitment on a free phone, channels you never watch in a package cable deal, unemployment insurance and the list goes on so what is the bid deal about that?

We have to pay taxes as a part of the ones that work, we should have a say in how they are spent. Are we not "vulnerable" also?

Being destitute with 2 kids is better than being destitute with 10 is it not?

That is forcing and manipulation of a vulnerable population. Its not much of a choice if you are desperate, and why on earth should the citizens of our country put up with the gov't forcing medications and/or removal of reproductive rights? By the way, most of our "entitlement" spending is on the people over 65, and most people on welfare are white women with children.

But hey, if dad leaves and a woman finds herself and her two kids destitute, she should be punished and forced to be sterilized, that makes perfect sense.....

 

[chickened]

Your comparison is ludicrous. All those people you cite had no choice and were forced by the military and it is an insult to them by you to compare them to welfare recipients.

I personally know a couple who as young adults were chased by the German army across Europe and then chase back by the Russian Army and they will tell you not getting a check for an inconvenience is nowhere near an equal situation as some have it here.

LOL Are you serious? Ask the poor, gypsies, handicapped and the jews if it was a choice. Wow, you are seriously out of touch with reality.

 

[tomtom69]

Are you saying you want that kind of socialism and removal of freedom by the gov't?

Says the pot as it is calling the kettle black, you have spouted nothing but socialist rhetoric , yes I read the part where you had a rough life when you were younger, and I feel sympathetic for you, but on a daily basis I see so many that abuse welfare, not ss and disabled people, but people who are just plain lazy, seems the only thing they are good at working is the system, and they seem to think it is their right to have as many children as they possibly can to pass this behaviour on to.

Do I have a plan to change the system, nope, I am but one man with limited resources, the existing and past govt. on the other hand who has made sure that they have money has failed to make any changes as they are happy to have the slaves, all the while stressing those who have to pay.

 

[cupman]

Canada has universal health care and a lot of the same programs we have.. yet I don't hear people crying "socialism!" about them. You people are falling victim to the narrative. If you understood what true socialism is you wouldn't be calling everything you disagreed with socialism. It's to the point where you are ready to call donating to charity socialism. These politicians that warn of socialism are just using scare tactics and you are eating it up.

 

[chickened]

Canada is not self supportive they feed off the U.S. economy more so than a country that is not on our border. They benefit from our military protection also. Why do canadians come here for procedures not available there? the ones that can afford it. How many canadians per capita are getting their wealth in Canada? they are not they get it here. The Canadian government gives Canadian lumber companies free trees for lumber, our lumber companies have to pay for trees. You don't hear them crying because they have a small population and they work.

Canada has universal health care and a lot of the same programs we have.. yet I don't hear people crying "socialism!" about them. You people are falling victim to the narrative. If you understood what true socialism is you wouldn't be calling everything you disagreed with socialism. It's to the point where you are ready to call donating to charity socialism. These politicians that warn of socialism are just using scare tactics and you are eating it up.

 

[cupman]

That's a petty attack, chickened. They "feed" off our economy because they are our number one trading partner. Do you think they are the only ones who benefit from our relationship? Do you believe the United States is completely "self supportive?" And about the military protection.. what military protection? Yeah, we will protect Canada should they ever be attacked but Canada has the ability to keep their nose out of everyone else's business and thus don't need the juggernaut military force of the United States. If we followed suit we wouldn't either. Also, you can hardly fault Canadian lumber harvesting for not following the same format as American lumber harvesting. It's their country and it's their business.

You make a lot of claims about Canadians mooching off the Americans but you don't really cite any sources. Other times you comment you post a few links to back up what you are saying. Would you mind doing it here? I'm skeptical because your claims seem too broad.