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  1. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

  2. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    There are plenty of people who find pleasure and satisfaction in raising poultry outside of exhibition. I plan to exhibit because it does have value, but for me it's more to make sure my breeding program is where it needs to be rather than earning points, bragging rights or become a master...
  3. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    I went back to my Standards book to review DQs and Defects of comb. Perhaps we should take a poll and find out how many cock(erels) have combs that a) fold in front and/or b) flop over in the rear. I notice the pictures of the Reese bird has both and both of these are standard defects...
  4. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Thank you for this insightful post. Please note that while there may not currently be an accepted APA SOP, we, we being the dues paying members of the Cream Legbar Club (est. 2012) with plenty of input from the BYC community interested in this breed, have been working diligently on formalizing...
  5. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Wow. I have to say that I am shocked a judge is unable to tell the difference between gold and cream. On the topic of DQs, this might be where we want to put the lack of crest as a DQ to make it quite clear this is supposed to be a crested breed. A judge is entitled to have his preferences...
  6. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Not a genetics expert but here are the wing descriptions for the non-barred Dark Brown, Light Brown and Silver Leghorn male. Since barring affects both red and black, everything described below would alternate with "white." Double barring makes wider bands of white giving a lighter overall...
  7. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    I think I'm going to follow blackbirds' example and stop trying to figure out the group consensus on what color (phenotype) the CL should be and just go forward with what my research and reading of the SOP is telling me is correct. Personally, I like the "some chestnut allowed" and am happy it...
  8. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Quote: Thank you for posting this picture! This is exactly what I'm looking for. This is the effect of double barring on the base color which lightens to straw. Now looking down at those primaries/secondaries in the dropped wing, some "straw" is still visible. In the cream colored...
  9. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    I just have to get on a soap box here for a second. I believe a good deal of the confusion is the perception that gold and cream are somehow totally unrelated genes/alleles (true) that occupy the same space on the genes/chromosomes so you can only have one or the other (false). There are...
  10. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Since I am still trying to get a handle on what cream should look like, what confirms that your flock is double ig/ig other than breeding true? If you did not have them DNA tested (the only way to be 100% dead on accurate as to genotype) what appearance (phenotype) are you defining as cream...
  11. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    I like the barring your boy's hackles. As for the second picture, I may be wrong, but I believe he is exhibiting gold, not by the chestnut in his wing bay but the gold in his primaries/secondaries. There should only be cream i.e. white, in the long feathers (primaries/secondaries) of the...
  12. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Yes. Hapless Runner is one such person. I believe there are a couple more but I don't recall who. If I can get some good youngsters out of my group this year, I may show them next autumn.
  13. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    I posted this on the Cream Legbar Thread, but I'll post it here too. The weights were taken last weekend by the weigh myself then weigh myself holding a chicken, then subtracting the difference method. May be off a few ozs or so. Heathcliff (6 months old) weighs 4.10 lbs. He didn't feel as...
  14. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    ...a more significant change as it changes weights and shape/outline. Where would the additional meat be? Breast? Legs? Thighs? Loin/Saddle? I *think* we can all agree that the LEGbar (Cream, Gold or Silver) was/is based on the Leghorn. And the Leghorn is well known as an excellent layer...
  15. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    But I already had a nappy time in order to stay up to watch The Ball drop! I could use a hug though ... AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL! Many happy hatches in 2014! Off to enjoy some bubbly...
  16. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    DDChicken: Since I was involved in the initial discussions and formation of the US CCL Club, I respetfully disagree with you. There has been from the beginning and continues to be today, an open discussion amongst "real (could you define what you mean by that???) CCL breeders." It seems...
  17. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Took some wing pictures of Heathcliff today. I am trying not to get too excited about him because every time I get excited about a chicken, something happens to them....sigh. Anyway, he still looks promising at almost six months old. Love his swept back crest with that little hint of red...
  18. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    [GD26] The developer of the Cotswold Legbar got his first Cream Legbars from a lady, that got her stock from Applegarth in 1990 but was was giving up on the breed. I don't know what quality the Cream Legbar were in by the time they went to the public in 1990, but fixing Barring, Cresting...
  19. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Gary – thank you for that information on Applegarth and Coombs. Your time frames are a bit confusing. If Applegarth started with CCL in 1987, then outcrossed in 1988/9 and then had to fix the characteristics (assuming 7 years/generations or 1995/6) then he has not been breeding CCL for 30...
  20. Laingcroft

    Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

    Volume 41, October, 1940 "Genetic Studies in Poultry, XI. The Lebar" by R.C. Punnett This paper discusses the barring effect for autosexing and outlines the chain of breedings that led to the Legbar. "As might be expected from a breed founded on the Brown Leghorn, the Legbar shows a marked...
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