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Hi, I have a couple of chicks out of my tolbunt orpington project. They show a lot of potential, might need a year or two to perfect their lacing. Let me know what you think?

All of the pictures of the soles indicate to me that they are light soles, my understanding is that id+ will make the soles slate, so these should be Id. What else can cause this slate colour? I know Id has little effect on E and a couple of generations back a black was used, but surely an...

A photo of a Gold Laced chocolate Orpington of Essex Orpingtons, are they different in colour or is mine perhaps a gold laced chocolate too? Perhaps a test on my Chocolate orpington rooster is needed, if the cockrels hatched are chocolate and not black, then she is probably a chocolate laced...

Barnevelder hen: Partridge hen with black legs: Barnevelder X partridge Orpington Young partridge cock with dark legs, probably one copy of Co too explaining the reddish breast. What do you think, id+ or Id?

Anyone willing to guess what the cause of this dull colour can be?

Something is weird yes, a sebright gold laced has slate blue legs on E^R, a gold laced orpington (laced tail) should also be E^R yet they have white legs, but sebrights dont have Id, therefore I can only assume that Id is at work in the Gold Laced Orpington and effective in E^R. So...something...

Not sure, you are most probably right, as I said my gold laced orps have light legs and are Ml... What else can cause this dark legs in the barnevelder cross? It can then however be that the hen in the first picture with the dark saddle and light legs carry Ml?

I might be wrong, but I did a cross between a Barnevelder double laced and Partridge orpington, both are Id/Id with the Barnevelder having yellow legs and the orpington light, all the chicks had black legs even though they should be Id/Id, only thing that changed was the Ml of the barnevelder...

If the partridge hens with black legs have white soles, it can be Ml/ml+, and if they have dark/ blue soles they are Id/id+ or Id/Id. This is also one of the chicks that hatched, looks an awful lot like a quail? If it is indeed quail, then the parent flock must contain Ml and Co right? I have a...

But if she is id+/id+ her legs would be darker so I doubt it. Also, if she was Ml/Ml her legs would definitely be darker, it will however turn her into a double laced. The only difference between a pencilled/ partridge and a double laced is the Ml/Ml effect, partridge having light shanks and...

K, so it is possible that this one is id/Id with Ml/ml+, and that the single Ml is not enough to make the legs dark due to Id/Id, but enough to make her saddle darker... Reason for all these questions besides the interest in it is I want to breed a double laced orpington, therefore I would have...

A photo of her earlier in the year.

Hi, I need help, I purchased this hen a while ago and cannot figure out why her lacing is brown. Is it in fact a chocolate laced which I doubt, or a bad blue laced?

Henk, Does Partridge Orpingtons not contain Id anyway, thats why the legs are light? The presense of Id makes legs light, the lack makes it slate? I used your crossbreeds calculator in these assumptions.

Thinking about it, it cannot be columbian either since that will cause her to be gold/ buff columbian... Any other ideas?

Moved, thanks

Hi, I need help establishing why this Partridge Orpington hen is a bit too dark on her saddle/ back? What genes can cause this, my guess is not Melanin since that will give her slated/ dark legs. Can it be a columbian restricting gene perhaps? Correct colour below:

Hi, I need help establishing why this Partridge Orpington hen is a bit too dark on her saddle/ back? What genes can cause this, my guess is not Melanin since that will give her slated/ dark legs. Can it be a columbian restricting gene perhaps? Correct colour below:

Thanks for the replies. My feeling is also that they are Orps, just young. Here is a photo of the hens, they also look like Orps to me. Do the leg color of Black Orps and Black Australops differ?

Hi, I have the following cocks but I am unsure of the breed, are they Orpingtons or Australop? They are still young. Thanks.