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  1. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Don't get me wrong, I do follow the lead of buying the best stock you can find and go from there. Problem is, this breed is so new, relatively speaking, to this country, and many were trying to make big bucks selling a "rare breed", and that included the top breeders. So even if you did your...
  2. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Not done with the breed, but possibly with the variety. In some cases, it has been shear ignorance on the part of the "breeder" as you suggest. Others, that should've known better or at least divulge the faults that their flock had, basically eliminated that part, and sold them as good stock, or...
  3. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Don ~ So what makes you think that they are selling their best stock? People that have advertised before, whether it be actual adult birds, chicks, or eggs, have all outright lied to my face! People selling adult birds are selling their culls, let's face it. You may get lucky in finding a...
  4. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Donna ~ I was going to try to grow it in a kiddie pool and see what happens. Another thought I had was my neighbor's pond. He is plagued with algae in the summer, and duck weed is supposed to kill off the algae, plus the fish would benefit from it too. That would be ideal as his pond is right...
  5. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Mary ~ I don't use the medicated starter any more, I start them all out on a chick grower crumble, and the protein is only 21%. I will hard boil some eggs for them and mix it into their feed to up the protein, but I only do that a few times a week. When they get older I add some dry cat food...
  6. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Tim, What would happen if I bred that wanna-be Wheaten roo I posted a page back, to an actual wheaten pullet? I assume it may work in reverse as the BCMs that produce Wheaten sports? That some would be a mix, some would be BCM looking, and some would look like Wheatens? I went back yesterday...
  7. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Pip is the kitty guardian around here! Where he is, there are always cats.
  8. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Tim, I did not put my roo's pic up there to show what to breed for, but rather to show what to breed against. I have two otherwise melanized BCM roos that have not helped with the production of copper in the BCM offspring, either male or female. The roo I pictured was to show the Wheaten...
  9. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Thanks Don. The one thing I will say about this boy, is that he has never shown the brown tinge to his black fluff areas, or anywhere else. His chest is a very deep black, which may be hard to see in this pic as it was taken in bright light, but all of his black is very black, and always has...
  10. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Don ~ Here is my example of such a bird. This guy hatched looking like a BCM, then just this year, he is just over 2, he grew in one, cinnamon edged primary on each wing! He has not quite finished molting, but he did molt the two primaries out. Note, that like a Wheaten roo too, he has some...
  11. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    So, if I wanted to "melanise" my flock, I would use a bird with a "melanizer" gene? Gotcha, thanks!
  12. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Tim ~ Forgive my ignorance here, but I believe I read somewhere, that Cuckoo birds were from extended black? If I am wrong in this, which I wouldn't doubt, then ignore it. I don't do Cuckoos. But if they are from extended black, why do they have white/pink shanks?
  13. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    geebs, can you explain the differences? I always just thought it was a matter of spelling!
  14. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    That egg to me, looks like a solid #5. Yes, would breed those two and you will hopefully get some with a nice happy medium of copper. The hen looks to have dark eyes? Maybe just the pic, but if he has dark eyes too, you will get most if not all, dark eyed chicks. Eye color is one of my main...
  15. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    I hear ya, patience is not one of my virtues either. But if you are going to be in this breed, it is something you must learn....
  16. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Like Don said on the other thread, they are young, give them some more time. I have never seen this in any of my chicks though, so you will want to watch them as they grow some more.
  17. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    I see 4 roos, 1 pullet. The one in the back on the left is a roo, see the color coming in on his back? Sorry, I know that feeling all too well!
  18. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Nope, the two tone hackles are of the Wheaten influence. Two seperate bands of colors, copper at the top, then the gold/yellow color. My Pip is colored this way, and all the time I knew it was incorrect for BCMs, and thought he may have something else going on in there. At 22 months of age, he...
  19. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Yes, the lighting makes the hackles look lighter, but both Clyde and Myron (the blue) have the exact same color throughout. The higher up feathers just catch the light more, and make them look lighter. Mahogany = deep brownish / red. Then there are the two tone hackles, which represent a...
  20. Debbi

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Melissa, In each of the pics I posted, I said to look at the saddle color for a more accurate mahogany coloring. The lighting can make the hackles look brighter and less dark, the true color throughout lies in looking at the saddle feathers. Just think of some women that dye their hair that...
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