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I cannot speak for everyone in Indonesia. I can tell you that I've had a very negative experience buying and supporting a breeder in Indonesia.

Ok not all thoughts :)

Here is a new one for you. In Thailand in a small village there is a farmer who has a ton of these birds. What I was able to put together was that he's been breeding them for sometime and I could order anything under 1000 birds. Totally black, black bones, black meat. He's been selling them for...

Mercedes ad for a black Mercedes using a chicken.

Thanks so much Toni

Mine are laying quite a bit more than that

I think I have about 40 birds now, two different blood lines none from Cemani farms yet. Thanks for your good words.

These are my first bloodline. Never a hint of white. Do get some mulberry in the comb with age. [/IMG][/IMG]

Cemani from the UK high % with the white.

Kind person, I shall try to articulate in a vernacular that that alleviates at least minimally some degree your propensity to question the lineage of my mother tongue. When I said that you put words in my mouth I was referring to your statement that I laid out an Indonesian standard for the...

It gets so strange for me when people put words in my mouth. I did not say that they had a written standard of perfection for the bird. What I did say is that they have a standard. The standard means that there's qualities that they look for in the Breed that they have developed in the breed in...

I think you might mean and would be good to say there is a APA and ABA standard. I thought this quite good. http://greenfirefarms.com/2011/08/playing-the-landrace-card/

I would invite you to go to Indonesia as I have. Travel around all the different bird markets talk with the translator about the quality of the birds. See 40 or 50 pure black Cemani. What they consider their standard and agreed upon Specific traits. But unfortunately maybe not fitting a western...

You know the things that were arguing about really don't make any sense. These are my points. 1. In Indonesia the Cemani is always 100% black with no red or white ever. 2. There is not an internationally recognized standard. 3. Because there's not internationally recognized standard anyone can...

Which part would you like? I'll see if I can get it translated for you I'm assuming you don't speak Indonesian. stand·ard ˈstandərd/ noun 1. a level of quality or attainment. "their restaurant offers a high standard of service" synonyms: quality, level, grade, caliber, merit, excellence More a...

Just so I understand. Because there are a few breeders breeding in United States there is not a standard for the bird? There is a standard for this bird in the country that developed it. Some may feel confident enough to define what the bird is and why. Some may feel confident enough to...

First, I have heard so many good things about Toni and her style. That being said it seems very strange to have the white come out like that. I have hatched maybe 30 Cemani Lite chicks. I call them that because they are not the pure black that you can get in Indonesia. Mine are similar to...