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Quote: Things like this give farmers a bad name and if they are organic it gives the other side of the equation something to dig into and it works the other way also. Drives me nuts when I read about a farmer getting busted for smuggling herbicides, medications, hormones etc... It gives...

The one problem is in studies using rodents is that the rodents are a special inbred line that has a high cancer rate. They are bred that way on purpose so that if what is being tested on them shows the slightest cancer causing effect, the rate will increase easily. Hate to spoil some's fun...

Warning Will Rogers, Warning Will Rogers, this thread is starting to become about our bad habits.................. Those of you doing pure non-chemical (all types and not just commercial) and non-GMO, great. Most of us in our gardens are that way.

Cows naturally "depositing" on pasture causes way less pollution than a manure lagoon. & U figured this out how? With manure lagoon, the manure is converted into composted manure where it is injected by a safe, prescribed amount guided by soil tests. Most midwest dairies in pens are over...

perchie.girl : Very very interesting thread I must say. Learning bunches keeping my opinions to myself....LOL... what fun is that? Interesting thought that if an organic producer wants to be organic that it is his responsibility to do it where contamination is not a threat. Something...

thought you might find this of interest. In Penn State Ag news. New GMO Lawsuit — Marvin Hall, Penn State Forage Specialist A lawsuit was filed in federal district court in Manhattan, NY on March 29, 2011 that would preemptively prevent Monsanto from suing farmers for patent infringement if a...

Quote: I'm sorry I should have defined "uses". In the past, people spread manure in the fields nearest the barn--convienent and quick. Manure was not seen as a solution to a problem. IF you took a soil sample around old farm lots, the P and K levels would astound you. P levels are almost...

#1) Agree that food should be able to be labeled non-GMO if it is. & promote it that way if you wish. Didn't know there was a law against that, how does organic get away by doing this if there is a law against it? But I also think that you shouldn't be able to promote anti-GMO with no...

Quote: Modern Ag also uses manure as a fertilizer. In the 70's it was considered a waste product, now it's fertilizer. Really? My great grandparents used manure spreaders in the fields. They where horse drawn, wood framed, with a belt a rotating drum run of the axle. That was way before the...

or maybe I just prefer the way they do it. No problem with that at all, buy/support what you prefer. One of your fallacies is that modern AG uses more petroleum products than organic does. Organic crops requires more fuel/acre than modern ag techniques do, not even close. Modern Ag also...

Quote: First paragraph, I disagree as modern ag is sustainable and has been for over 80 years. Second paragraph has been my montra on all discussions concerning what people want. Pay for it, and they will produce it. It will cost much more.

I have no problem w/organic in itself. I have major problems w/organic industry to the point I think they should be in jail for fraud. As far as anyone saying they had/have a major medical problem and "organic" cured it, color me a skeptic. I would put more faith in the meds they are on...

Quote: Ah, I found it...in my old textbook from a crop-breeding class back at Cornell. It wasn't a strawberry. It was a tomato. It was approved, but in practice, the tomato plant didn't have improved frost tolerance. After finding it there, I searched for the official application documents...

If they use a protein from an animal and put it into a plant, they will have a very hard time getting it approved. There was one proposed change that was called the fish protein but it wasn't. It was a gene from algae. It's just the fish ate the algae and expressed it from the food they ate...

Quote: Couple of problems here........ 1) only 5% of soybeans were GMO in 2000. 2) For the first 4-5 years all GMO soybeans were not allowed into the human food chain without going through meat. They had restricted sales as only mills that guaranteed they went into animal rations could...

Quote: It has nothing to do with "hypocrosy" (sic), it's a matter of common sense and practicality. Right is right, wrong is wrong. You can never justify doing wrong. If I felt that hybrid seed, fungicides, Bt, rock fertilizers, etc. were wrong, I don't use them no matter what. Let's be...

Monsanto owns the patent on almost every corn and you will not find good non spliced corn seed anywhere Then you have spent 0 time looking. The 3rd largest corn breeding company in the USA and in the world breeds everything NON-GMO. Traits are added (no body will buy untraited corn to the...

Quote: Actually it's not a closely guarded secret. They do release it. It is in the patent what it is. Really want to know, do a patent search. In Ag, all this is very common knowledge, nothing hush hush. The Ag trait companies do not put the trait in themselves as they pay someone who...

Quote: Actually, they have used genes from fish, bacteria, and who-knows-what-else in creating GMO plants and actual people have actually fallen ill due to adverse reactions from consuming them. I'm not going to look through my bookmarks and dig up the information for you because if you're...

Quote: I didn't buy any seeds that said hybrid on them so I am hoping that they are just plain regular vegetable seeds I have thought about ordering heirloom seeds has anyone else done this. I worry with hybrid seeds since I am not sure what they did to those seeds and since you can not use...