➡I accidentally bought Balut eggs: 2 live ducks! Now a Chat Thread!

Ok ok I bow to social pressure and Banty's threats of self immolation :D.

Really I am quite flattered by your interest :bow. Although I will say I was not a member of the group that did the eggsperiment. I just donated some of my ladies' eggs to the cause.

Background: one of the things that stable isotope studies are used for is dietary reconstruction. Chemically, you really are what you eat (plus a couple of parts per mil). The egg group analyzed shell and egg protein samples from three different groups of eggs (some expensive "vegetarian fed" chicken eggs, some cheap house-brand eggs that didn't promise the hens were vegetarian, and eggs from my free-range birds) to look at the ratios of carbon stable isotopes (C13/C12) and nitrogen stable isotopes (N15/N14).

Carbon isotope ratios are particularly useful for reconstructing the plant portion of an animal's diet, specifically the quantity of C4 photosynthetic plants versus C3 photosynthetic plants. Most major domestic crops including corn and wheat are C4 plants. So are many wild grasses. Most other wild and garden plants are C3 plants.

The results of the study showed all three groups of birds (fancy "vegetarian hens"; unspecified commercial layers; and my birds) had a strong C4 signature. Basically they were all eating a lot of corn. My ladies had slightly more C3 plants in their diet though from free ranging. In general though, the three groups were pretty tightly grouped in terms of their carbon (plant) signatures.

Where things got interesting was with the nitrogen values. The ratio of stable nitrogen isotopes in an animal's tissues can be used to reconstruct trophic level (ie your place in the food chain). All the commercial layers had signatures similar to a vegetarian animal at the very base of the food chain. My ladies had nitrogen levels that were way higher. They looked like they were about 2 rungs higher on the food ladder. So chemically, it looked like my girls had been preying on other chickens :gig The reality though is that they get bugs, fish, and whatever the can find on the property. Still, I was so proud of my little velociraptors and everyone in class was shocked by the difference. :D
 
Ok ok I bow to social pressure and Banty's threats of self immolation :D.

Really I am quite flattered by your interest :bow. Although I will say I was not a member of the group that did the eggsperiment. I just donated some of my ladies' eggs to the cause.

Background: one of the things that stable isotope studies are used for is dietary reconstruction. Chemically, you really are what you eat (plus a couple of parts per mil). The egg group analyzed shell and egg protein samples from three different groups of eggs (some expensive "vegetarian fed" chicken eggs, some cheap house-brand eggs that didn't promise the hens were vegetarian, and eggs from my free-range birds) to look at the ratios of carbon stable isotopes (C13/C12) and nitrogen stable isotopes (N15/N14).

Carbon isotope ratios are particularly useful for reconstructing the plant portion of an animal's diet, specifically the quantity of C4 photosynthetic plants versus C3 photosynthetic plants. Most major domestic crops including corn and wheat are C4 plants. So are many wild grasses. Most other wild and garden plants are C3 plants.

The results of the study showed all three groups of birds (fancy "vegetarian hens"; unspecified commercial layers; and my birds) had a strong C4 signature. Basically they were all eating a lot of corn. My ladies had slightly more C3 plants in their diet though from free ranging. In general though, the three groups were pretty tightly grouped in terms of their carbon (plant) signatures.

Where things got interesting was with the nitrogen values. The ratio of stable nitrogen isotopes in an animal's tissues can be used to reconstruct trophic level (ie your place in the food chain). All the commercial layers had signatures similar to a vegetarian animal at the very base of the food chain. My ladies had nitrogen levels that were way higher. They looked like they were about 2 rungs higher on the food ladder. So chemically, it looked like my girls had been preying on other chickens :gig The reality though is that they get bugs, fish, and whatever the can find on the property. Still, I was so proud of my little velociraptors and everyone in class was shocked by the difference. :D
That's awesome. I'm bookmarking this.
 
Ok ok I bow to social pressure and Banty's threats of self immolation :D.

Really I am quite flattered by your interest :bow. Although I will say I was not a member of the group that did the eggsperiment. I just donated some of my ladies' eggs to the cause.

Background: one of the things that stable isotope studies are used for is dietary reconstruction. Chemically, you really are what you eat (plus a couple of parts per mil). The egg group analyzed shell and egg protein samples from three different groups of eggs (some expensive "vegetarian fed" chicken eggs, some cheap house-brand eggs that didn't promise the hens were vegetarian, and eggs from my free-range birds) to look at the ratios of carbon stable isotopes (C13/C12) and nitrogen stable isotopes (N15/N14).

Carbon isotope ratios are particularly useful for reconstructing the plant portion of an animal's diet, specifically the quantity of C4 photosynthetic plants versus C3 photosynthetic plants. Most major domestic crops including corn and wheat are C4 plants. So are many wild grasses. Most other wild and garden plants are C3 plants.

The results of the study showed all three groups of birds (fancy "vegetarian hens"; unspecified commercial layers; and my birds) had a strong C4 signature. Basically they were all eating a lot of corn. My ladies had slightly more C3 plants in their diet though from free ranging. In general though, the three groups were pretty tightly grouped in terms of their carbon (plant) signatures.

Where things got interesting was with the nitrogen values. The ratio of stable nitrogen isotopes in an animal's tissues can be used to reconstruct trophic level (ie your place in the food chain). All the commercial layers had signatures similar to a vegetarian animal at the very base of the food chain. My ladies had nitrogen levels that were way higher. They looked like they were about 2 rungs higher on the food ladder. So chemically, it looked like my girls had been preying on other chickens :gig The reality though is that they get bugs, fish, and whatever the can find on the property. Still, I was so proud of my little velociraptors and everyone in class was shocked by the difference. :D
Fascinating! Thank you for taking the time!
 
@mixedUPturk Mine are the monozygotic kind of twins.
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Handsome lads!

Also I had never heard that term before and had to look it up :lau :oops:

Maybe I just don’t read enough! LOL should have guessed from the picture though. But around here they usually just call them identical or fraternal haha

Ok ok I bow to social pressure and Banty's threats of self immolation :D.

Really I am quite flattered by your interest :bow. Although I will say I was not a member of the group that did the eggsperiment. I just donated some of my ladies' eggs to the cause.

Background: one of the things that stable isotope studies are used for is dietary reconstruction. Chemically, you really are what you eat (plus a couple of parts per mil). The egg group analyzed shell and egg protein samples from three different groups of eggs (some expensive "vegetarian fed" chicken eggs, some cheap house-brand eggs that didn't promise the hens were vegetarian, and eggs from my free-range birds) to look at the ratios of carbon stable isotopes (C13/C12) and nitrogen stable isotopes (N15/N14).

Carbon isotope ratios are particularly useful for reconstructing the plant portion of an animal's diet, specifically the quantity of C4 photosynthetic plants versus C3 photosynthetic plants. Most major domestic crops including corn and wheat are C4 plants. So are many wild grasses. Most other wild and garden plants are C3 plants.

The results of the study showed all three groups of birds (fancy "vegetarian hens"; unspecified commercial layers; and my birds) had a strong C4 signature. Basically they were all eating a lot of corn. My ladies had slightly more C3 plants in their diet though from free ranging. In general though, the three groups were pretty tightly grouped in terms of their carbon (plant) signatures.

Where things got interesting was with the nitrogen values. The ratio of stable nitrogen isotopes in an animal's tissues can be used to reconstruct trophic level (ie your place in the food chain). All the commercial layers had signatures similar to a vegetarian animal at the very base of the food chain. My ladies had nitrogen levels that were way higher. They looked like they were about 2 rungs higher on the food ladder. So chemically, it looked like my girls had been preying on other chickens :gig The reality though is that they get bugs, fish, and whatever the can find on the property. Still, I was so proud of my little velociraptors and everyone in class was shocked by the difference. :D

Wow that is very very interesting!!! And awesome!! Thanks for sharing!!

That's awesome. I'm bookmarking this.

Definitely awesome!! :D

Fascinating! Thank you for taking the time!

X2!!!

@Tesumph if you do decide to do an ACV thing here is a link to a couple articles I found when I was looking into it.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/pardon-my-ignorance-but.1311979/page-3#post-21407306

There really is some legit research on the topic...but the goals and findings of the scientific literature are still going to be very different that what is sometimes claimed on blogs and other popular media.

I’m going to have to read that later haha
 
I have been dragging my feet on this whole inspection thing but, I mean, it’s illegal not to do it so finally dragged my ass down the street to do it. Apparently so did a lot of other people. Been waiting my turn haha

And I mean I’m not that late, they only opened yesterday due to the holiday, but I didn’t do it yesterday for whatever reason, no real reason :oops:, so now I have to do it today haha

My dad and I noticed it a few weeks ago and meant to do it then but we both forgot until a few days ago :oops: actually didn’t even remember until Tes said something about Kiki’s sticker when she posted those pics. :lau :oops: and by then of course everything was closed and I had to wait till Tuesday (yesterday). But then I didn’t do it then.

ANYWAY.

Long story short, finally doing it now.

Although now they just came out and said the registration guy came and has to enter some stuff in his computer and it’s gonna be like a half hour, 45 minutes? :barnie

Guess this is what I get for waiting. :lau

Can’t leave cause it’s expired. August. :oops:
 
Arent they all extra sweet, trained like drs for "bedside manner?" Did u have on the ring? Maybe if your that good lookn Crazy Lady needs to get you a bright red ring :gig i might need to do this for DH now that im thinking about it :barnie
Work choice discourages jewelry. Haven't worn a ring in over two decades. Something about having your finger ripped off. They even had pictures. :sick

To answer your other question, yes, I am that good looking. I have been compared to Sam from that TV show. He is the tall good looking one.

Now, now, don't spoil the fantasy! Hot vet assistant was clearly throwing herself at him.
Ahem. I wish hot. Closer to tepid. I'm sure she has a great personality. No one can compare to Crazy Lady though. :love
 
Anything they can do to charge more for the eggs/meat/etc. I always wonder if it makes any appreciable difference or if it's more about people feeling better about themselves.

I also want to see research results backing up an utter destruction of BS claims but I suspect that it would do nothing to convince the followers. After all, people keep feeding their chickens DE in spite of clear evidence that it doesn't prevent nor treat worms.
I wonder if any part of it has to do with the misconception that chickens are herbivores.
I overheard a conversation recently where two people were discussing how horrendous it was to feed a chicken eggs. They thought it was cannibalism, they really were disgusted.
I wonder what they’d think of me feeding the entire carcass of my culled rooster back to my hens. Lmao.
@Tesumph if you do decide to do an ACV thing here is a link to a couple articles I found when I was looking into it.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/pardon-my-ignorance-but.1311979/page-3#post-21407306

There really is some legit research on the topic...but the goals and findings of the scientific literature are still going to be very different that what is sometimes claimed on blogs and other popular media.
Bones, you are a literal angel. I do believe you just did half of my research paper for me. :gig
But seriously this is fascinating, I will ask my prof on Friday if this is a valid research topic. Thank you so much.

And wow, the research done by your classmates is awesome! Thank you for sharing, I’m bookmarking ALL the things right now! :lol:
 

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