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@CrazyCrttr75 Meyer has an option at checkout about whether you'll accept substitutions. Are you absolutely sure that you didn't click "yes"?

And I'm not sure why having silver showing through on the breast means it is not an Andalusian? I had a breeder sourced BCM with a random feather that was silver her entire life. Australorps routinely have some silver peeking through in the wings as chicks. How is this different?
 
@CrazyCrttr75 Meyer has an option at checkout about whether you'll accept substitutions. Are you absolutely sure that you didn't click "yes"?

And I'm not sure why having silver showing through on the breast means it is not an Andalusian? I had a breeder sourced BCM with a random feather that was silver her entire life. Australorps routinely have some silver peeking through in the wings as chicks. How is this different?
Just as a “credibility” standpoint, we breed Blue Australorps, so I personally work with the blue gene.

The chicks are born with gray (blue) down, black down, or are yellow with some soft gray patches (splash). There is times when the blue birds will have black feathers that come in, but this is undesirable, and it displays that those certain feathers didn’t get the neural crest cells to migrate with the correct genes.

The genes don’t work backwards, Blue is an incomplete dominant so it makes the bird entirely gray in color when present. When in homozygous form the birds will be white with black and gray feathers strewn about in their feathers. Black is recessive, and won’t have the white toned feathers show in the breast. The white wing tips as chicks, undesirable as well, are results of camouflage leftovers in the chick down that results in little white tips that molt out easily.

Blue Andalusians are an established breed and color, it’s extremely difficult for this particular gene to be messed up as shown in her bird. That’s why I’m wondering as to what her bird may actually be, and why they would send one that’s quite obviously not what she ordered.
 
... That’s why I’m wondering as to what her bird may actually be, and why they would send one that’s quite obviously not what she ordered.
There was someone on another board who ordered buff Orpingtons, clicked yes for substitutions are OK, and got red sexlinks. She assumed that they meant one or two might be something else if they ran short, not that they'd send a whole order that was different. But, that is what they did.
 
PHOENIX – Virulent Newcastle disease has been found in an Arizona chicken flock for the first time since the outbreak began last year in California.

It’s been found in Arizona near Flagstaff in a backyard flock of eight birds, and tests show the strain is part of the Southern California outbreak.

Arizona state veterinarian Peter Mundschenk said the Department of Agriculture is working to find the source and keep it contained.

“It’s pretty much been in backyard birds, but they’ve had a couple spillovers into the commercial flocks in the areas,” he said. “That’s what we’re trying to prevent by having the surveillance zone so we don’t get the spread of the disease like California’s had.”

Mundschenk said they will keep looking in a 1 kilometer area around where the disease was found to locate the source. One source could be a chicken keeper – someone trying to protect birds from quarantine in California – who brought them to Arizona, Mundschenk said.....
https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2019...czRgoPFBbFT7DtN2HYLNUeQkXxUk1in7ynw8JSWvkP_sc
Yikes. That's awful. Is it one of those diseases that can be spread by wild birds as well?
 
Can you email Meyer about them? I would be severely annoyed had they been my birds, especially the BCM because there is no guarantee that she’ll even lay dark eggs since she’s not full BCM and you paid for that specific breed.

@CrazyCrttr75 Meyer has an option at checkout about whether you'll accept substitutions. Are you absolutely sure that you didn't click "yes"?

I don't know. I am sure that I can email them. I just have to decide if I want to go down that road or just allow my complaining to be done on here lol. Part of me is disappointed and part of me tries to be understanding that crap just happens sometimes. Will the feathers work themselves out after she molts again? Could all this be because she was sickly and had such health issues after she was born? Is she not pure bred? When is it too late to say something? Will it do any good? These are questions that I ask myself. The thing is, I actually ordered a Golden Cuckoo Maran. Their hatch didn't turn out as expected so I received a call the day they were to go out and asked if I would be willing to take a BCM in its place. They thanked me profusely for being understanding and the rest is history. As for the Andalusian, the Meyer website has a "disclaimer" on the breed page that says, "* The color blue does not breed true. The chicks hatched from these chickens can be blue, black, or splash. You will receive hatchery choice colors when ordering."

Now the above disclaimer being stated, do I still have a right to complain? Maybe I got a "black" Andalusian? I don't know. I'm just trying to make sense of it all.
 
I don't know. I am sure that I can email them. I just have to decide if I want to go down that road or just allow my complaining to be done on here lol. Part of me is disappointed and part of me tries to be understanding that crap just happens sometimes. Will the feathers work themselves out after she molts again? Could all this be because she was sickly and had such health issues after she was born? Is she not pure bred? When is it too late to say something? Will it do any good? These are questions that I ask myself. The thing is, I actually ordered a Golden Cuckoo Maran. Their hatch didn't turn out as expected so I received a call the day they were to go out and asked if I would be willing to take a BCM in its place. They thanked me profusely for being understanding and the rest is history. As for the Andalusian, the Meyer website has a "disclaimer" on the breed page that says, "* The color blue does not breed true. The chicks hatched from these chickens can be blue, black, or splash. You will receive hatchery choice colors when ordering."

Now the above disclaimer being stated, do I still have a right to complain? Maybe I got a "black" Andalusian? I don't know. I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

I think for the BCM I would probably just leave it since it was already a substitution anyway and it’s possible they ran low on that one too and substituted another breed or that somebody just accidentally grabbed the wrong breed since they were probably in a hurry/going fast to get all the orders packed and shipped out so it’s possible when you said you would accept substitutions that somebody just quickly reached into a bin and whoops, wrong chick. Although that said, you could maybe at least ask even if you don’t do it in a complaining way. You could always just email and ask if it’s normal and/or say hey this was supposed to be a BCM and I’m not sure it is/is this feathering normal/what breed could it be.

As for the Andalusian, I think that is what Prairie was trying to say before. That it does not look like any of the possible colors in the blue breeds. It can come in all those colors, yes, but I think, from what I gathered from what Prarie said, it does not look like a blue, black, or splash. Although that said, I do wonder if it’s possible that it’s just a black with some white or blue leakage?? Or maybe it would technically be labeled as splash since it does have the splashes of color? Splashes can also be dark blue, right? I think I have seen darker splashes. So it is possible it is one. I mean, it is a hatchery bird after all, so what it “supposed” to be or how it is supposed to look according to the standard may not always be how it is or how it actually looks with hatchery birds. I highly doubt a big hatchery like that would allow their breeds to get mixed up or even have the opportunity for it to happen. So she likely is still an Andalusian, just a poorly bred one. OR. I suppose it is possible that they accidentally grabbed the wrong chick when they packed it. I guess you will just have to wait and see what she looks like as she matures and what colors her earlobes and eggs will be.
 
But as an example on how totally wrong some of their birds can be, I have heard of some of their Wyandottes having single combs instead of rose combs and some feathered legged birds like Marans and others not being feather legged. So I wouldn’t put it past them to produce an oddly colored bird. Even a color that is supposedly impossible. They are hatchery. Not that there is anything wrong with hatchery birds or even Meyer in particular, my birds all came from Meyer and my new 5 (about a week and a half away now :celebrate) are also coming from Meyer, so I love them and I think my birds are beautiful, but they are a hatchery like any other and breed for production rather than perfectly matching the standards or even matching it at all sometimes haha
 

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