100 Broilers and Fermented Feed Project

[foreverlearning]

I know and it's a sadness because this country will gobble it up like it's good nutrition for their kids....all propaganda started early on in our schools and the food pyramid per USDA.

You know they changed it from the food pyramid to my plate (first lady):

Guess they thought we were too stupid to figure out the pyramid.

 

[Beekissed]

Figures.

 

[Arielle]

I know and it's a sadness because this country will gobble it up like it's good nutrition for their kids....all propaganda started early on in our schools and the food pyramid per USDA.

Oh Bee, dont get me started!!!!!!!!!

Years ago, I met for 2 hours with the food manager of our schools-- she listened politely and yet said the gov rules prevented the changes I had suggested. THe reimbursement system is very rigid. PRomotes junk food eating--- in that catagory I include prepackaged "pancakes" or muffins which are white flour and white sugar. OMG!!! With 30% on free or assist school lunches, that's big money to be had.

When I sent in a note that my first grader was NOT to get chocolate milk or strqwberry milk, I thought my wishes were being followed. TUrned out that no one was informed of my request and my kid was sucking down sugar water aka chocolate milk. I put a stop to it fast!!

My kids don't get school lunches. ANd don't get the milk either. All with the blessings of my new pediatrition!! I push salads and vegies at breakfast, and sliced turkey; steel cut oats usually wins out on school days, though I still cringe at the amt of brown sugar they put in. I let the brown sugar run out once in a while . . . . . lol "Sorry honey, how about a couple eggs? "

I tell my oldest taking " HEalth" to memorize the info and give back the answers the teacher wants. That will get him the good grades. He has stopped presenting our ways of eating as it just gets him into " wrong answer" responses. WE don't follow the teachings of the gov crap. Most people don't want to hear that the government is wrong, wrong wrong on this.


PS FOod pyramid is gone. A rainbow was in place for while, now a plate is used.


I could write pages-- but I've said enough already.

 

[Beekissed]

I know. There were many things my kids had to memorize for tests that was just wrong but in order to get the grade they had to provide the "right" answer. And that's a public school, government dictated curriculum for you. I feel your pain!

I had to get a note from our pediatrician to get "no dairy" for my youngest and every year they had to have a new one and I got fussed at all the time about how he wasn't getting enough "calcium" if he didn't drink the milk.

No matter how many times I tried to educate about green leafy vegetables and the calcium therein, they just couldn't get it. He's 22 now and has never had a cavity and towers over me....milk did not build that body.

 

[apteryx]

But they wouldn't have to try FF...they could get the same results by adding ACV to the watering system. Some commercial dairies in other countries are doing this very thing to prevent mastitis and cut down on using drugs with amazing results. They sell commercial grade ACV in 50 gal. drums for use in agriculture and livestock. I'm wondering if these same dairies are seeing an increase in female offspring?

Interesting that you mention use of ACV in dairy farms. I grew up on a dairy farm (in New Zealand) and over the years we moved away from "conventional" herd management techniques (i.e. use of pencillin and other drugs) for herd health to ACV and aloe vera gel. The ACV was given quarterly (I can't remember the dose) and the aloe vera was given twice daily at milking - about 5 ml per cow per milking. Through selective culling and the use of ACV and aloe vera we were able to decrease the incidence of mastitis to zero cases per year, decrease the number of barren cows from about 8% of the herd to zero and eliminated all vet visits. When my parents sold the farm we had the whole herd pregnancy tested at the request of the buyer and stunned the vet for two reasons - firstly he thought we were no longer dairying as we hadn't called him out in so long and secondly because ours was the first herd he had ever encountered with 100% pregnancy. Good animal husbandry is a skill that is worth developing as it will pay big dividends.

 

[Beekissed]

Interesting that you mention use of ACV in dairy farms. I grew up on a dairy farm (in New Zealand) and over the years we moved away from "conventional" herd management techniques (i.e. use of pencillin and other drugs) for herd health to ACV and aloe vera gel. The ACV was given quarterly (I can't remember the dose) and the aloe vera was given twice daily at milking - about 5 ml per cow per milking. Through selective culling and the use of ACV and aloe vera we were able to decrease the incidence of mastitis to zero cases per year, decrease the number of barren cows from about 8% of the herd to zero and eliminated all vet visits. When my parents sold the farm we had the whole herd pregnancy tested at the request of the buyer and stunned the vet for two reasons - firstly he thought we were no longer dairying as we hadn't called him out in so long and secondly because ours was the first herd he had ever encountered with 100% pregnancy. Good animal husbandry is a skill that is worth developing as it will pay big dividends.

Wow!!! It's so good to hear about farming practices like that!

I am so into culling and natural methods for that very reason. I love hearing stories such as this because it gets people to thinking and imagining the possibilities...I can almost bet that 9 out of 10 dairy owners in this country would scoff at those methods and say it wouldn't work for them for X reasons, which to me translates into "I'm too lazy or insecure to even TRY that solution."

At first it seems counterproductive to cull vigorously on such animals as chickens because you are seemingly losing money in that way, but in the end the payoff is so big that it's well worth it. In the end you have a stronger, healthier and more productive animal and flock, which results in money savings, a lack of stress in management of the flock and also a healthier end product in the eggs and meat. And it's all achieved in a natural manner with natural ingredients as part of their health regimen and as a prevention, not a cure.

 

[Coralietg]

Oh Bee, dont get me started!!!!!!!!!

Years ago, I met for 2 hours with the food manager of our schools-- she listened politely and yet said the gov rules prevented the changes I had suggested. THe reimbursement system is very rigid. PRomotes junk food eating--- in that catagory I include prepackaged "pancakes" or muffins which are white flour and white sugar. OMG!!! With 30% on free or assist school lunches, that's big money to be had.

When I sent in a note that my first grader was NOT to get chocolate milk or strqwberry milk, I thought my wishes were being followed. TUrned out that no one was informed of my request and my kid was sucking down sugar water aka chocolate milk. I put a stop to it fast!!

My kids don't get school lunches. ANd don't get the milk either. All with the blessings of my new pediatrition!! I push salads and vegies at breakfast, and sliced turkey; steel cut oats usually wins out on school days, though I still cringe at the amt of brown sugar they put in. I let the brown sugar run out once in a while . . . . . lol "Sorry honey, how about a couple eggs? "

I tell my oldest taking " HEalth" to memorize the info and give back the answers the teacher wants. That will get him the good grades. He has stopped presenting our ways of eating as it just gets him into " wrong answer" responses. WE don't follow the teachings of the gov crap. Most people don't want to hear that the government is wrong, wrong wrong on this.


PS FOod pyramid is gone. A rainbow was in place for while, now a plate is used.


I could write pages-- but I've said enough already.

My daughter is in public school here. The school lunch plan they send home is upsetting. This week is ham and cheese hot pockets, burgers with fries, and the not so bad red beans with ham. I pack her lunches every day, but we had a huge problem with "snack days". Each child gets a snack day where they have to bring in snacks for the whole class. Most times this is chips, cookies, cupcakes, cheap snack cakes with koolaid barrels. I send her in with snacks, ask the teacher to not give her those snacks. Doesn't help. My daughter is only 5, I'm working hard with her on healthy choices. I lived in the UK until I was 19, and it is SO difficult for me to see so many foods, with ingredients in them that were banned in the UK. I want to know why American children don't matter? Identical foods from the same companies, in the UK and USA, with different ingredients. I could rant for days on this subject, lol. I'll try to be good.

 

[apteryx]

Wow!!! It's so good to hear about farming practices like that!

I am so into culling and natural methods for that very reason. I love hearing stories such as this because it gets people to thinking and imagining the possibilities...I can almost bet that 9 out of 10 dairy owners in this country would scoff at those methods and say it wouldn't work for them for X reasons, which to me translates into "I'm too lazy or insecure to even TRY that solution."

At first it seems counterproductive to cull vigorously on such animals as chickens because you are seemingly losing money in that way, but in the end the payoff is so big that it's well worth it. In the end you have a stronger, healthier and more productive animal and flock, which results in money savings, a lack of stress in management of the flock and also a healthier end product in the eggs and meat. And it's all achieved in a natural manner with natural ingredients as part of their health regimen and as a prevention, not a cure.

One of the things that disappoints my parents and I about many dairy operations (even in New Zealand) is that so much of the management is focused on numbers on a computer screen rather. Unfortunately this has come at the expense of being able to look at an animal make a determination about its condition, health, conformation and many other aspects that can't be seen on a spreadsheet. I recall going to a field day at a top dairy farm where they were discussing feeding of the herd. The farmer was asked how many kgs of dry matter he was feeding per head per day. His response was that he fed about a third of the paddock. This completely confused the person who asked the question and led to the follow up question of how do you know they are getting enough food. The common sense answer was that you watch them and if most of the herd is lying down 30-60 minutes after the end of milking, they probably have enough. If they aren't, you give them a little more.

To bring this back to the thread topic of raising broilers, I think that Kuntrygirl is doing a great job of monitoring for full crops as well as tracking weight gain to make sure she is meeting the feed needs of the birds. I am also impressed with the concern when respiratory issues presented. I have been following this thread with great interest as I am considering getting some broilers to grow out this spring.

 

[Beekissed]

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Exactly...it's a variation of what I tell people when they ask about how much fermented feed to feed their chickens, as most are used to filling up a big, continuous feeder and not really knowing what their birds will consume per meal. They always ask how I know if they are getting enough and I always tell them the same way you know if your kids are getting enough...if they clean their plates in short order, give more. If they leave too much, cut back. If they eat it all but maybe leave some residue , it's just right. Then watch the body.

 

[BCMaraniac]

You know they changed it from the food pyramid to my plate (first lady):

Guess they thought we were too stupid to figure out the pyramid.

I think I may just throw up!!

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