100 Broilers and Fermented Feed Project

[kuntrygirl]

A poop load......lol

 

[kuntrygirl]

They aren't GMO.....they are hybrids.......BIG difference.  That would mean mules are GMO.  I live in a very rural area, so nobody gets on their high horse about such things.

Don't they know that the chicken they eat is the same bird?

Thank you. You know non-chicken people always think they know more that we chicken people.

 

[BCMaraniac]

GMO means that the genetic material is altered by an unnatural means.....something other than cross pollination/ natural breeding......test tube engineering, so to speak.....

 

[foreverlearning]

They think that because the news told them so, they are never wrong, right? A few years ago the news reported on GM (or what they thought must be GM) broilers that big names like Tyson raises for the meat. The story went out about the same time as battery cages and mad cow. This scared people and they couldn't figure out that they weren't because they didn't understand breeding practices. In truth they are cross from many breeds to create something that grows faster without the need for the extra food. Now they don't breed true and this may be another factor in the confusion but they do breed. GMO's can't reproduce this is why the plants don't have harvestable seeds and why animals can't breed. At some point in time breeding on your farm with backyard mixes you are bound to find something similar in growth.

 

[kuntrygirl]

GMO means that the genetic material is altered by an unnatural means.....something other than cross pollination/ natural breeding......test tube engineering, so to speak.....

Yes. Unnatural.

I just found a good article about hyrbid a few minutes ago. I wish more people would learn the difference. They are quick to say GMO.

 

[kuntrygirl]

They think that because the news told them so, they are never wrong, right? A few years ago the news reported on GM (or what they thought must be GM) broilers that big names like Tyson raises for the meat. The story went out about the same time as battery cages and mad cow. This scared people and they couldn't figure out that they weren't because they didn't understand breeding practices. In truth they are cross from many breeds to create something that grows faster without the need for the extra food. Now they don't breed true and this may be another factor in the confusion but they do breed. GMO's can't reproduce this is why the plants don't have harvestable seeds and why animals can't breed. At some point in time breeding on your farm with backyard mixes you are bound to find something similar in growth.

Good summarization.!

 

[aoxa]

A question......................Kinda off topic but same subject (Broilers).

When talking to non-chicken people about Broilers, they are saying that broilers are Genetically modified and are turning their nose up at me when I talk about broilers. I know that broilers are not genetically modified birds from everything that I have read.

Have you all experienced people trying to make you feel bad about raising, processing and eating broilers because they think these birds are genetically modified. Thoughts anyone?

OH YES. Had this huge conversation on our farm page on FB.

For those of you who answered my earlier question about the commercial broiler chicken being genetically modified, the answer is a resounding NO.

Many, MANY people BELIEVE that the commercial broiler is genetically modified to grow so fast their legs break, and their hearts give out.
Cornish X (Commercial Broiler) are selectively bred to have the best feed conversion out there. This means that for every two pounds of grain the chicken eats, it will gain one pound in return. A Dual purpose rooster will have a 5:1 feed conversion ratio in comparison.

Cornish X put on weight very quickly. They are selectively bred to do so. They have an insatiable hunger, and if allowed food access 24/7, will take full advantage.

Let me tell you another thing... It does NOT have to be that way. Feed does not have to be offered to these broilers at all times! When you restrict feed you will see these commercial broilers (CX) acting as if their goal in life is to run, fly, and catch bugs. They are the very best scavengers I have ever raised. They will forage and hunt for acres in search of worms, grubs, plants and yes.. mice and toads as well.

They are selectively bred to produce desirable traits.
Herding dogs were bred to herd, Huskies were bred to pull a sled and Bloodhounds were bred to track. Are they genetically modified? No. Neither are the commercial broilers.

While we are HIGHLY against any type of factory farming operation, the commercial broiler is used by many small hobby farms as well to produce the most tender chicken possible for their family. They are raised in organic, pastured settings by big names such as Joel Salatin.

Anything that has been genetically modified can not be stamped with the "Certified Organic" label.

I for one used to believe that they were genetically modified. That was before I took the time to research the breed before we took the leap into raising our own chickens for meat. I was afraid that they would not be what I wanted them to be, or act how I wanted them to act. Free ranging chickens was at the core of how our farm operates. I couldn't give that up just for the tender chicken my palate craved.

After raising them for a year, my opinion on the Cornish X has done a complete 180. They do not have to be the frankenchickens we hear about. They do not have to sit in their own filth all day and have heart attacks at six weeks old.

I like to compare the CX to an obese toddler.. If an obese toddler was offered a buffet full of pastries, French Fries, chicken nuggets and candy, would they refuse? NO. The CX will not refuse food that is right in front of them. Many adult humans have this issue as well.

If we want our chickens to have that tenderness of a commercial broiler, but all the flavour of a dual purpose bird the key is grain restriction. If you restrict their intake of what YOU provide them, they are then forced to find all the goodness that mother nature has to offer. All of the exercise involved in obtaining that goodness creates strong bones, healthy organs and results in flavourful meat while still meeting our standard of an ethically raised chicken.

The definition of Genetic Modification "Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology"

So the bottom line is this: They are not genetically modified.


+Here was my response.

90% of people asked thought they were.. Sad...​

 

[BCMaraniac]

OH YES. Had this huge conversation on our farm page on FB.

For those of you who answered my earlier question about the commercial broiler chicken being genetically modified, the answer is a resounding NO.

Many, MANY people BELIEVE that the commercial broiler is genetically modified to grow so fast their legs break, and their hearts give out.
Cornish X (Commercial Broiler) are selectively bred to have the best feed conversion out there. This means that for every two pounds of grain the chicken eats, it will gain one pound in return. A Dual purpose rooster will have a 5:1 feed conversion ratio in comparison.

Cornish X put on weight very quickly. They are selectively bred to do so. They have an insatiable hunger, and if allowed food access 24/7, will take full advantage.

Let me tell you another thing... It does NOT have to be that way. Feed does not have to be offered to these broilers at all times! When you restrict feed you will see these commercial broilers (CX) acting as if their goal in life is to run, fly, and catch bugs. They are the very best scavengers I have ever raised. They will forage and hunt for acres in search of worms, grubs, plants and yes.. mice and toads as well.

They are selectively bred to produce desirable traits.
Herding dogs were bred to herd, Huskies were bred to pull a sled and Bloodhounds were bred to track. Are they genetically modified? No. Neither are the commercial broilers.

While we are HIGHLY against any type of factory farming operation, the commercial broiler is used by many small hobby farms as well to produce the most tender chicken possible for their family. They are raised in organic, pastured settings by big names such as Joel Salatin.

Anything that has been genetically modified can not be stamped with the "Certified Organic" label.

I for one used to believe that they were genetically modified. That was before I took the time to research the breed before we took the leap into raising our own chickens for meat. I was afraid that they would not be what I wanted them to be, or act how I wanted them to act. Free ranging chickens was at the core of how our farm operates. I couldn't give that up just for the tender chicken my palate craved.

After raising them for a year, my opinion on the Cornish X has done a complete 180. They do not have to be the frankenchickens we hear about. They do not have to sit in their own filth all day and have heart attacks at six weeks old.

I like to compare the CX to an obese toddler.. If an obese toddler was offered a buffet full of pastries, French Fries, chicken nuggets and candy, would they refuse? NO. The CX will not refuse food that is right in front of them. Many adult humans have this issue as well.

If we want our chickens to have that tenderness of a commercial broiler, but all the flavour of a dual purpose bird the key is grain restriction. If you restrict their intake of what YOU provide them, they are then forced to find all the goodness that mother nature has to offer. All of the exercise involved in obtaining that goodness creates strong bones, healthy organs and results in flavourful meat while still meeting our standard of an ethically raised chicken.

The definition of Genetic Modification "Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology"

So the bottom line is this: They are not genetically modified.​

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+Here was my response.​

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90% of people asked thought they were.. Sad...​

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What is so amazing is practically anyone who eats chicken they do not raise is eating CX. Even chickens purchased at the farmers' market is likely the CX, but one that is raised differently than those in the broiler industry. I think it's another way for them to disassociate themselves from where their food comes from, and because those who raise their own chicken have a skill that they themselves do not possess. Some people emulate those who possess skills they do not have in an effort to improve themselves, while others demonize and criticize those same individuals to make themselves appear better.

 

[Angelicisi]

I did too!!  This should be better that PayPerView!!!  Sit back with a fire and a glass of wine and watch/read about the entertainment each night!

 

[Angelicisi]

X's 100

A poop load......lol