14 week old sebright cockerel with nerve damage? Or worse?

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Hey all, I’m reaching out on here to see if anyone has had a similar situation to mine. I have this lovely sebright cockerel who was the top dog in the tiny flock of 3, one silkie x of unknown gender, and a surprise EE cockerel that’s the same age. Lately the boys have been having small spats but nothing serious, just the usual flapping and flaring hackles, that kind of thing. I’ve only ever seen them end with them both stopping and just walking away.
Wednesday night when I was putting the younger chicks to bed, this sebright started to come up the ramp to enter the coop. I could hear him but not see him. He let out a gawd awful shriek and then didn’t come inside right away. I assumed one of the other 2 knocked him off the ramp or something.
So then the 3 come in for the night, and I see the sebright standing a little odd; not super obvious but you get to know your birds for sure. Lol. Also, I use straw for bedding because the silkie likes sleeping on the floor, so it was difficult to see the sebright’s feet in the deep bedding. He went to get up on the roost and instead of gripping with both feet as usual, his right foot was knuckled over and his toes clenched in a fist.

I brought him in the house to better assess away from everyone else, and could find no obvious injuries, except he reacted with huffing and tensed up when I handled his right leg, especially when extending it. I could feel no broken bones, no dislocations, although both of his legs have a lot of lateral movement in the hocks. Into a cat kennel he went with some food and some electrolyte/vitamin spiked water. The next morning when I took him out he was still painful, still clenching his toes, but when I handled his foot I could manipulate his toes fine, they move in all the normal ways, but as soon as I let it go, back into a loose fist. He also sits low on his hock on that leg when resting.

so the next day, he seemed more comfortable but still dragging that foot, so I braced his foot in a similar way to a chick with a chick shoe, and that greatly improved his mobility once he got the hang of it. He can move the leg normally, just not his foot.
My boss (a veterinarian who doesn’t have a lot of bird experience but handles large animals otherwise) was thinking sciatic nerve injury. I’m concerned about Mareks. He came from a backyard flock, not vaccinated.
Other than the leg, he’s a typical cockerel. Crows allllllll the time, eating, drinking, normal stools, his comb and wattles look normal.

he’s a really sweet cockerel so I’m willing to keep going if theres a chance he’ll do ok, even if it means him being a house chicken at least for a while. He’s very tolerant and likes to be held so it’s not like he’s stressing out like crazy being inside.

Anyone else have a situation like this that the bird recovers at all? I’ve attached some pics below, the last one to show just how stressed out he is. Haha.

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Isn't he cute!

Hard to know if it's injury (any way to get an xray) or disease like Marek's - your boss mentioned sciatic nerve injury which sounds like Marek's (enlarged Sciatic Nerve).

I think you are doing what you can for him - some birds with Marek's are able to "recover" and do o.k. They will still be carriers of the disease and it can affect their long term health so do some research. Here's a very good article to get you started https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/the-great-big-giant-mareks-disease-faq.66077/
 
Hey all, I’m reaching out on here to see if anyone has had a similar situation to mine. I have this lovely sebright cockerel who was the top dog in the tiny flock of 3, one silkie x of unknown gender, and a surprise EE cockerel that’s the same age. Lately the boys have been having small spats but nothing serious, just the usual flapping and flaring hackles, that kind of thing. I’ve only ever seen them end with them both stopping and just walking away.
Wednesday night when I was putting the younger chicks to bed, this sebright started to come up the ramp to enter the coop. I could hear him but not see him. He let out a gawd awful shriek and then didn’t come inside right away. I assumed one of the other 2 knocked him off the ramp or something.
So then the 3 come in for the night, and I see the sebright standing a little odd; not super obvious but you get to know your birds for sure. Lol. Also, I use straw for bedding because the silkie likes sleeping on the floor, so it was difficult to see the sebright’s feet in the deep bedding. He went to get up on the roost and instead of gripping with both feet as usual, his right foot was knuckled over and his toes clenched in a fist.

I brought him in the house to better assess away from everyone else, and could find no obvious injuries, except he reacted with huffing and tensed up when I handled his right leg, especially when extending it. I could feel no broken bones, no dislocations, although both of his legs have a lot of lateral movement in the hocks. Into a cat kennel he went with some food and some electrolyte/vitamin spiked water. The next morning when I took him out he was still painful, still clenching his toes, but when I handled his foot I could manipulate his toes fine, they move in all the normal ways, but as soon as I let it go, back into a loose fist. He also sits low on his hock on that leg when resting.

so the next day, he seemed more comfortable but still dragging that foot, so I braced his foot in a similar way to a chick with a chick shoe, and that greatly improved his mobility once he got the hang of it. He can move the leg normally, just not his foot.
My boss (a veterinarian who doesn’t have a lot of bird experience but handles large animals otherwise) was thinking sciatic nerve injury. I’m concerned about Mareks. He came from a backyard flock, not vaccinated.
Other than the leg, he’s a typical cockerel. Crows allllllll the time, eating, drinking, normal stools, his comb and wattles look normal.

he’s a really sweet cockerel so I’m willing to keep going if theres a chance he’ll do ok, even if it means him being a house chicken at least for a while. He’s very tolerant and likes to be held so it’s not like he’s stressing out like crazy being inside.

Anyone else have a situation like this that the bird recovers at all? I’ve attached some pics below, the last one to show just how stressed out he is. Haha.

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Oh he is adorable!
 
Hey all, I’m reaching out on here to see if anyone has had a similar situation to mine. I have this lovely sebright cockerel who was the top dog in the tiny flock of 3, one silkie x of unknown gender, and a surprise EE cockerel that’s the same age. Lately the boys have been having small spats but nothing serious, just the usual flapping and flaring hackles, that kind of thing. I’ve only ever seen them end with them both stopping and just walking away.
Wednesday night when I was putting the younger chicks to bed, this sebright started to come up the ramp to enter the coop. I could hear him but not see him. He let out a gawd awful shriek and then didn’t come inside right away. I assumed one of the other 2 knocked him off the ramp or something.
So then the 3 come in for the night, and I see the sebright standing a little odd; not super obvious but you get to know your birds for sure. Lol. Also, I use straw for bedding because the silkie likes sleeping on the floor, so it was difficult to see the sebright’s feet in the deep bedding. He went to get up on the roost and instead of gripping with both feet as usual, his right foot was knuckled over and his toes clenched in a fist.

I brought him in the house to better assess away from everyone else, and could find no obvious injuries, except he reacted with huffing and tensed up when I handled his right leg, especially when extending it. I could feel no broken bones, no dislocations, although both of his legs have a lot of lateral movement in the hocks. Into a cat kennel he went with some food and some electrolyte/vitamin spiked water. The next morning when I took him out he was still painful, still clenching his toes, but when I handled his foot I could manipulate his toes fine, they move in all the normal ways, but as soon as I let it go, back into a loose fist. He also sits low on his hock on that leg when resting.

so the next day, he seemed more comfortable but still dragging that foot, so I braced his foot in a similar way to a chick with a chick shoe, and that greatly improved his mobility once he got the hang of it. He can move the leg normally, just not his foot.
My boss (a veterinarian who doesn’t have a lot of bird experience but handles large animals otherwise) was thinking sciatic nerve injury. I’m concerned about Mareks. He came from a backyard flock, not vaccinated.
Other than the leg, he’s a typical cockerel. Crows allllllll the time, eating, drinking, normal stools, his comb and wattles look normal.

he’s a really sweet cockerel so I’m willing to keep going if theres a chance he’ll do ok, even if it means him being a house chicken at least for a while. He’s very tolerant and likes to be held so it’s not like he’s stressing out like crazy being inside.

Anyone else have a situation like this that the bird recovers at all? I’ve attached some pics below, the last one to show just how stressed out he is. Haha.

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First of all, he’s absolutely beautiful! I was recommend using the sock like I see your doing. Maybe consider keeping him as a house chicken if he doesn’t recover, or sell him. He appears to be a very calm bird sitting in your lap and wouldn’t have a problem living indoors with a diaper on! (As long as you don’t have dogs or cats) Keep watching him and see how he does. For future recurrence always make sure your buying chicks that have been vaccinated because it’s never worth the risk to leave them not. He truly is beautiful and I can see why you chose to care for him as he is so sweet. The nerve issues might “heal” but just watch him
 
Isn't he cute!

Hard to know if it's injury (any way to get an xray) or disease like Marek's - your boss mentioned sciatic nerve injury which sounds like Marek's (enlarged Sciatic Nerve).

I think you are doing what you can for him - some birds with Marek's are able to "recover" and do o.k. They will still be carriers of the disease and it can affect their long term health so do some research. Here's a very good article to get you started https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/the-great-big-giant-mareks-disease-faq.66077/
Thanks for replying! :D

x-ray would be an option but our machine is down for the count with no eta on getting it back. We switched to large animal only and it’s a holdout from our small animal days, so not a priority unfortunately. No other clinics in this area will touch poultry. :(

I’m willing to keep him going and reassess as needed for QOL, and I do have the provision of a testing lab post mortem through the clinic if it comes to that.

Thank you for the excellent article; I’ve done extensive research through the resources available to me but many of them are geared towards high production outfits so this is much more helpful. :)


Oh he is adorable!
Thanks! I swore I wasn’t keeping cockerels but he’s a charmer and won out. Haha.
 
Thanks for replying! :D
x-ray would be an option but our machine is down for the count with no eta on getting it back. We switched to large animal only and it’s a holdout from our small animal days, so not a priority unfortunately. No other clinics in this area will touch poultry. :(
I’m willing to keep him going and reassess as needed for QOL, and I do have the provision of a testing lab post mortem through the clinic if it comes to that.
Thank you for the excellent article; I’ve done extensive research through the resources available to me but many of them are geared towards high production outfits so this is much more helpful. :)
Thanks! I swore I wasn’t keeping cockerels but he’s a charmer and won out. Haha.
Keep us posted on how he does.

For future recurrence always make sure your buying chicks that have been vaccinated because it’s never worth the risk to leave them not.
Just a note here - having chicks vaccinated makes no guarantee that birds will not become symptomatic. Sadly the vaccine is not perfect. It can help stop the formation of tumors in the body, but does not prevent infection from the virus.
 
So update. Got our machine up and going again and took some rads, it appears he has a fracture at the proximal end of his femur, near the femoral head. Hard to get good views on an awake bird but it’s very obviously different and on the VD view, you can see an “end on” piece of femur you shouldn’t be able to. The boss was impressed with how well behaved he is too. Haha. So cage rest, NSAIDs, and hope. No evidence of visceral tumours at this point, either, which I’m going to go ahead and believe is a good sign. :) he’s going on antibiotics prophylactically (He’s also got some sniffles but no other respiratory signs) and metacam for a few days to help with pain and inflammation.
 
So update. Got our machine up and going again and took some rads, it appears he has a fracture at the proximal end of his femur, near the femoral head. Hard to get good views on an awake bird but it’s very obviously different and on the VD view, you can see an “end on” piece of femur you shouldn’t be able to. The boss was impressed with how well behaved he is too. Haha. So cage rest, NSAIDs, and hope. No evidence of visceral tumours at this point, either, which I’m going to go ahead and believe is a good sign. :) he’s going on antibiotics prophylactically (He’s also got some sniffles but no other respiratory signs) and metacam for a few days to help with pain and inflammation.
Poor guy! I'm glad you were able to find out what's wrong. I hope he heals up quickly.
Thank you for the update.
 

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