15 Weeks Old And Can't Figure Out Sex of Chicken

Barry Natchitoches

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I have never figured out how to post pictures, and with using dial up I don't know if I could anyway.


But here's the deal, and maybe you folks can help me figure out what I have.


The father is an Easter Egger rooster with a bad cross beak. He's the only rooster we have, so we're 100% sure he's the one that did the dastardly deed.


The mother is one of two Barred Rock hens we have. Both parents were about 9 months old when the chick -- whose name is Pierre, named after the New Orleans Saint player Pierre Thomas, was conceived.


Our broody successfully hatched two babies on Dec. 27th, the other one is a Buff Orpington/EE mix, and we are pretty sure she is a pullet. Her name is Drew, named after the New Orleans Saint player Drew Brees.


But at 15 weeks old, Pierre still remains a mystery.


In our first clutch (Sept of 2009), we had three babies that all turned out to be the offspring of the Barred Rock hens/EE rooster.


In that clutch, the two pullets turned out to be solid black hens -- though one has a green sheen to her black feathers and the other has a lovely silver sheen to her black feathers. The one cockerel of the bunch was barred. At birth he had a white spot on the back of his head, but so did the pullet who now has that silver sheen to her black feathers. We weighed the birds each week until they were seven weeks old, and from week 2 until we quit weighing that batch at age 7 weeks -- the cockerel was always just a few more ounces than the two pullets. The cockerel also had a larger comb than the two pullets, and his feet were yellow while the pullets feet were very dark. At age 12 and 1/2 weeks, the cockerel began to emit a sound that was definitely an attempt to crow.


That was what would be expected for EE rooster/BR hen offspring, from what I read on the net, because that combination's babies are usually colored differently at birth.


With the 15 week old mystery chicken, the bird is barred with a "tall and straight" posture that is more in line with being a cockerel than a pullet. And its legs are yellow with just a little bit of dark markings on it, just like the cockerel from the last clutch. It had the white marking on the back of the head at birth that often denotes a male bird, but as I pointed out before, so did one of the pullets from the last clutch. The mystery bird is also a tad bit taller than the BO/EE pullet that was born the same day, and weighs a few ounces more.


HOWEVER, that mystery chicken has made no motions like it wants to crow. And it has not tried to mount the pullet that it lives with 24/7. It is the alpha chicken of the duo and sometimes chases the more timid BO/EE mix around, but that might be because our full blooded Barred Rocks are just more aggressive than our full blooded Buff Orpingtons. I would think that if it were a cockerel, it would be experimenting with sex by now. I know that its father (DaddyRoo) sure was, when DaddyRoo was his age.


DaddyRoo has pointy feathers around the base of the neck, and along his tail region. This bird does not have the pointy feathers around the base of the neck, and his tail feathers are identical in shape and size to his BO/EE pullet half-sister.


Frankly, this bird looks to me to be a full blooded Barred Rock. The comb is just a tad smaller than the fully grown Barred Rock hens. (The BO/EE mix does not have a comb at all, just blond muffs).


I just do not see any signs of its father at all. If I had a BR rooster, I would be sure that the bird is his child. Thing is, I do not have a BR rooster. The only rooster anywhere around is the EE rooster.


If I didn't know better, I would swear that this is a full blooded Barred Rock pullet.


But it is not full blooded, it is a EE/BR mix.



So what do you all think?


Pullet? Or rooster?
 
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if pierre is barred/ cuckoo like the mum, then it's a he.... and having his daddy within close proximity/ ear shot might slow his urges down a bit...
 
Yep very hard to tell without pics but I say that the absence of pointy hackle and saddle feathers definitely points to a pullet! Most any roo that age would have the pointy neck (hackle) feathers by now (although some EEs are notoriously slow to develop),
 
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How come if it looks the mom it is a he, just curious, I am learning.

Yea I don't get this one either. In my experience the pullets and cockerals from BRs are both equally barred. My BR roos, if anything have been a little lighter in color.​
 
barring is a sex linked dominant gene... Being sex linked, rooster can have 2 dose of the gene but hen can only have 1.

non barred roo x barred hen = all barred cockerel (single dose/ dark), all non barred pullets.

barred roo (single dose) x barred hen = 25% double dose cockerel (light), 25% single dose cockerel (dark), 25% barred pullet, 25% non barred pullet.

barred roo (double dose) x barred hen = all double dose cockerels (light), all barred pulets.

barred roo (single dose) x non barred hen = 50-50 barred/ non barred cockerels and pullets.

barred roo (double dose) x non barred hen = all barred progeny, all cockerels will be single dose (dark).

Hope that's understandable......
 
UPDATE:


Pierre most definitely mounted Drew this afternoon. I don't know if he's mounted her when we were not around, or if he's watched his father mount the older hens, but that boy knew EXACTLY how to do it.


He is a HE. No doubt about it.


Meantime, Drew did not appreciate his advance, and complained loudly.


DaddyRoo saw it happen, and he seemed quite upset with Pierre about it. But Pierre was protected inside the young one's special fenced in play area, so he couldn't do anything about it if he had wanted to.


I got the feeling that DaddyRoo might not have known Pierre was male until then, too, the way DaddyRoo reacted.
 
From Shreveport: Pretty much off the subject, but with your name theme you've got going, I thought I'd mention that our bantam Gold-laced Cochin pullet's name is "SuperBowl"!!! We got her the week after THE game. Guess our chicken's name's not too crazy after all...Who Dat?!!!!
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Yeah, TomboyGirl, great minds think alike!
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I named him after Pierre Thomas for two reasons: 1, Pierre is really the best offensive scorer for the 2009 Saints, IMHO (Reggie Bush has a better PR agent, but Pierre plays a better game), and 2, Pierre is black and this bird is mostly black.


I named the blond feathered bird Drew because: 1, Drew is the best quarterback the Saints have ever had (with all due respect to Archie Manning), and 2, Drew's sandy hair color is very similar to this BO/EE mix's sandy blond feather coloring.


But after seeing him mount Drew this afternoon, I'm thinking that maybe I should have named him after tackle Jarmon Bushrod instead!
 

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