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In the Brooder
Jan 12, 2025
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Our girl Bonita (Lavender Orpington): We made a huge mistake at the beginning by putting straw around the inside perimeter of their brooder. The primary substrate was wood flakes, but we wanted to insulate them with it being November cold. We quickly learned that it was too slick for their baby legs and at a few weeks old her and another chick were having a hard time walking. We took the straw immediately out and separated them from the rest of the full strength flock to rehabilitate as best we could for being new chicken parents. The other one, Red, had crooked toes, but Bonita's leg issue wasn't as obvious. They stayed separate from the rest of the flock for the remaining weeks in the brooder because they were getting bullied and were still weak. Neither were walking much. They're also much smaller than the others. But it's no surprise their growth was stunted if they're not moving much. I was hand feeding them vitamins daily. They're 10 weeks old now and all 11 are out in the coop together. Red (crooked toes) is walking around and has grown significantly. Even seems to be in better spirits. Bonita on the other hand stays squatting. She can get around if she needs to, but not recovering like we hoped. She can lift her legs quite straight to stand, but is very shaky when she walks. And then quickly goes back to a squatting position. We keep a close eye on her. Putting her near the water and food when we go in to feed. But the last few days her eyes have been more closed. Less of an appetite. I had to physically pick her up and put her beak in the water bowl to get her to drink and you could tell she was dehydrated and not drinking on her own.

I initially thought she slipped on the straw and hurt a tendon and it never recovered, but it's certainly possible she has a vitamin deficiency? Or maybe something else. We'd really want her to make it, but it's sort of becoming a question of ethics. Do I keep her alive with the hope she makes it and a chance she dies naturally on her own? Or is it unethical to keep her alive if her quality of life relative to the rest of the chickens is significantly worse. Some days are better than others, but most seem to be a struggle. Maybe there's something I'm missing... I would love to do anything within my power to help this sweet girl. Would love some advice from the masters. Appreciate you in advance.
 
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Our girl Bonita (Lavender Orpington): We made a huge mistake at the beginning by putting straw around the inside perimeter of their brooder. The primary substrate was wood flakes, but we wanted to insulate them with it being November cold. We quickly learned that it was too slick for their baby legs and at a few weeks old her and another chick were having a hard time walking. We took the straw immediately out and separated them from the rest of the full strength flock to rehabilitate as best we could for being new chicken parents. The other one, Red, had crooked toes, but Bonita's leg issue wasn't as obvious. They stayed separate from the rest of the flock for the remaining weeks in the brooder because they were getting bullied and were still weak. Neither were walking much. They're also much smaller than the others. But it's no surprise their growth was stunted if they're not moving much. I was hand feeding them vitamins daily. They're 10 weeks old now and all 11 are out in the coop together. Red (crooked toes) is walking around and has grown significantly. Even seems to be in better spirits. Bonita on the other hand stays squatting. She can get around if she needs to, but not recovering like we hoped. She can lift her legs quite straight to stand, but is very shaky when she walks. And then quickly goes back to a squatting position. We keep a close eye on her. Putting her near the water and food when we go in to feed. But the last few days her eyes have been more closed. Less of an appetite. I had to physically pick her up and put her beak in the water bowl to get her to drink and you could tell she was dehydrated and not drinking on her own.

I initially thought she slipped on the straw and hurt a tendon and it never recovered, but it's certainly possible she has a vitamin deficiency? Or maybe something else. We'd really want her to make it, but it's sort of becoming a question of ethics. Do I keep her alive with the hope she makes it and a chance she dies naturally on her own? Or is it unethical to keep her alive if her quality of life relative to the rest of the chickens is significantly worse. Some days are better than others, but most seem to be a struggle. Maybe there's something I'm missing... I would love to do anything within my power to help this sweet girl. Would love some advice from the masters. Appreciate you in advance.
Can you get video of her walking around? That would probably help any experienced users who want to weigh in with advice.

Just in case you don't know how, take a video and upload it to youtube or vimeo and then post the video link here:

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How do I know if it’s Marek’s? They all got vaccinated for Marek’s, but I don’t know how it all works.
 
How do I know if it’s Marek’s? They all got vaccinated for Marek’s, but I don’t know how it all works.
Unfortunately the vaccine doesn't prevent the disease like most people think. The way to know for sure is to have a necropsy performed, if she dies, by your state lab.
 
Unfortunately the vaccine doesn't prevent the disease like most people think. The way to know for sure is to have a necropsy performed, if she dies, by your state lab.
After reading up on Marek’s it seems unlikely. It says it shows in chickens 6 weeks and older. She’s been like this since for the last 7 weeks (since 2 or 3 weeks old. I wouldn’t say her movement has gotten progressively worse either. It’s been stagnant. She doesn’t have greying iris from blindness. When I take her to the water bowl she drinks fine and can see what she’s doing. She’s seems weak because she’s not getting around enough to fuel up. I could be wrong. Also, the timing of the two chickens having leg problems directly after adding the straw does seem correlated. But again I really could be wrong.

If she does have it I know it’s contagious. Should I be worried about spread? Temps are averaging 20° right with lows in the single digits.
 

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