2009 Texas Chickenstock, 5/23/09 - See My Page for add'l details

[cyanne]

I'm confused, how it is considered 'Public Exhibition' for people to bring chickens to a BBQ/Potluck for the purpose of handing them off to a new owner?

It doesn't seem much different to me for someone to make sale arrangements and them meet the buyer at a gas station or whatever to make the trade-off. Not arguing, just confused about how this law applies in this situation.

Oh, and speaking from my previous experience with attending Chickenstock, Carla does take excellent precautions to protect her flock from disease. Last year any chickens people brought were kept in or near their vehicles which were parked in the shade WELL away from her coops. Also, nobody was allowed to approach the coops without first dipping their feet in a bleach solution.

 

[Poulets De Cajun]

Anything you described above would be considered "Off Premises Sales" whether its being given/traded/sold/bought. "Off Premises" requires special P/T testing and certification which generally costs $100 or so, which is completed by a State diagnostic representative.

Not saying its NOT legal to have the Chickenstock, and I dont doubt that whoever the host is takes great care in abiding by the rules, but I have seen absolutely no mention of regulations and/or testing requirements within this thread.

ETA: Bringing your birds to a backyard barbque would in fact be considered a 'Public Exhibition' because you are removing them from the confines of their coop, transporting them from point a to point b, and risking infection of any birds between your coops and the destination should you in fact have an infected bird.

 

[allen wranch]

Chris,
This is not a swap or sales meeting, not intended to be one, and I don't want it to be one.

It is as Cyanne said:
It doesn't seem much different to me for someone to make sale arrangements and them meet the buyer at a gas station or whatever to make the trade-off.

I met a guy from Louisiana in Houston to hand off some birds one time. I also did the same in Dallas and a few other places. I didn't consider that as "Public Exhibition" or "Off Premises Sales"and still don't.

I posted last year and will say again:
Do not bring birds just hoping to sell them. Make prior arrangements with individuals before coming to Chickenstock.

However, I will clarify with the state regarding "Off Premises Sales".

BTW, are you coming to Chickenstock ?​

 

[yardbird tx]

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$100 !!!

 

[Poulets De Cajun]

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The only reason that I mention something, is because we used to have something similar in the NTX area, and there were reprocussions. I only offer the above as a warning... If you'd like to know the details PM me.

 

[ltlchicken]

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from my understanding from speaking with the state and testers, if there is no money involved, they can't tell you it's against their regulation. it becomes a "gift". now if there's money involved, those people should have their proper paperwork which is very easy to do. all they have to do is call the tvmdl and get their certificate which is free. i don't know who made you pay $100 but it's free. when i brought my birds to carlas the last chickenstock i attended, i had my paperwork and my tester actually showed up a month later after the event to test my birds again. for those who may be weary about someone testing your birds, it's really a great thing. you get to know a poultry person who has bountiful information and resources regarding chickens.

this is something that goes on every year (this being the fourth year that i know of) with our gracious host carla. she doesn't have to do this, but she opens up her house and property so people of like minds can get together and talk poultry. several breeders that show, also show up along with couple other internet chicken groups in the texas area. it's a very fun event, but ya'll need to realize this is someone's home. please be curtious to carla and before deciding to bring or do anything, please make sure and ask carla if it's okay.

 

[yardbird tx]

I agree if you are going to bring birds let Carla know.

 

[yardbird tx]

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The only reason that I mention something, is because we used to have something similar in the NTX area, and there were reprocussions. I only offer the above as a warning... If you'd like to know the details PM me.

Are you coming to the Texas Chickenstock?

 

[Poulets De Cajun]

At this point, I am not, only because I have to be on duty at work.

As well, REGULAR testing is free, certification to sell OFF PREMISES (meaning anywhere but your backyard) is around $100.... for clarification.

 

[ltlchicken]

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LOL, you're scaring them with that $100 figure. nobody will want to get their flock registered for that price. it's $25 for up to 99 birds and like chris said, only if you sell outside of your property.

interesting thing i learned about "off premises". i was talking to my tester and bob (on this site) about selling birds. bob was scolding me because i keep horrible records (as carla knows) who i sell my birds to. part of the reason is because i sell my birds at trade days and nobody really wants to give you their information along with that bum rush that comes when one person decides to buy one of your chickens, 4 other people are standing in line waiting. and if you don't get to them quickly, they'll leave and buy from someone else.

i also sell at my friends feedstore. i drop the birds off and pick them up if they don't sell. so i asked them, if the feedstore buys the birds from me and resells them, does he have to have the registration card. and they answered "no". because it's the owner's "premises". the feedstore is his property so he's technically selling on premises even though he doesn't live there and his chickens live at his house. i don't know why, but i thought that was funny. it's like a tax loophole.

the big thing is, one guy can explain the regulation one way, and then another guy tell you different. alot of us learned that at the BBC, where the state, one year, told us if we were to have a trade/swap at the BBC, all exhibitors must have their birds registered, then the next year, the state decided that wasn't necessary. and not all state reps are versed on the regs. we're having a trade day at arcola next month and requested a state rep be there to check paperwork (poultry, equine, sheep, etc). she's not very knowledgeable about poultry and i guess all the questions i was asking her made her uncomfortable and i ended up getting a surprise call from the head poultry guy of the texas animal health commission regarding the trade day. talk about making sure i knew what i was talking about....LOL

chris, what you say is perfectly correct, but carla is not someone that's just putting this together on a whim. she understands biosecurity very well and it's a great event. people that end up taking birds home should just realize that they need to keep their new birds separate for at least a week before putting them in with their own flock. it's what should be done with any new bird that is purchase from anyone. if people use proper precautions, everything should be fine.

sorry to ramble on.