2nd Generation EEs?

[LinzeeBrie]

I doubt I'm going to ask/explain this well... But until I hatch his offspring, do I have no way of knowing for sure that my EE rooster is a blue gene carrier, even if all of his "sisters" by the same rooster lay blue/green?!
Even if he's guaranteed blue carrying, would his babies (with various light brown/pink) layers still be EEs? Would the genetics be more "muted" or are they either 'there or not there's? Wondering the same about breeding him with my BCMs for OEs...
I have two purebred Ameraucana roos as well, so I COULD cull him and no for sure what I'm getting; but he's super handsome and calm... And find funky heritage mixes cuter than purebreds a lot of the time

 

[cherrynberry]

I doubt I'm going to ask/explain this well... But until I hatch his offspring, do I have no way of knowing for sure that my EE rooster is a blue gene carrier, even if all of his "sisters" by the same rooster lay blue/green?!
Even if he's guaranteed blue carrying, would his babies (with various light brown/pink) layers still be EEs? Would the genetics be more "muted" or are they either 'there or not there's? Wondering the same about breeding him with my BCMs for OEs...
I have two purebred Ameraucana roos as well, so I COULD cull him and no for sure what I'm getting; but he's super handsome and calm... And find funky heritage mixes cuter than purebreds a lot of the time

Second generation EEs have darker more vibrant colored eggs...so usually darker blues or greens.

 

[LinzeeBrie]

Second generation EEs have darker more vibrant colored eggs...so usually darker blues or greens.

But does it have to be EE+EE to make 2nd generation?! Not EE+brown/white?

 

[ChloeSilkie08]

This is the greatest chart ever for this type of stuff!

 

[ChloeSilkie08]

But does it have to be EE+EE to make 2nd generation?! Not EE+brown/white?

I think so.

 

[Lacy Duckwing]

As far as breeding with EEs, there is really no way to tell, but he might be able to past the color to his children. Here's some of my experiances:

First Generation: The Start

I started out with Douglas. When I got him, I got him and a Barred Rock rooster. No hens. Douglas was an EE. Here's a picture of him:

Second Generation:

The second generation was his children. I kept all his daughters, which was four in all, and one of his sons. All the hens layed blueish-green eggs. I had bred Douglas with some brown egger hybrids. All his daughters came out as EE hybrids. Here's some pictures of the second generation:
Douglas' son Jose`:

Douglas' daughter Marvalo:

His daughter Shiloh. Her eggs were more blue than green:

His daughter Chenoa:

His daughter Vienna. She layed more of green eggs than blue:

Third Generation: Jose`'s Daughters

For the third generation, I bred Jose` with brown egger hens. He had two daughters, Cave and Bailey. They had single combs and layed brown eggs. Here's a picture of them:

Fourth Generation:

The fourth generation was Vienna's daughter with a NHR rooster. Sorry, this probably been in third generation now that I think about it.... It came in fourth somewhere, but you can look at it as third. Vienna's daughter Katie layed green eggs. Here's a picture of her:

That was my experiance with the EE generations. I called the group Douglas Whites after Douglas. They were hybrid EEs that were pretty good egg layers with the "dual-purpose" weight.
If I was you, I'd breed your rooster with a white-egger to preserve the pigment. If you breed him with brown eggers, you might get olive eggs. What gene he carries will be passed down. Now, I don't know how "culling" him would tell you what egg color gene he's carrying. Either way, if he is dead, how would that help you? As far as I know, you can't breed a dead rooster. That's kinda confusing me. Perhaps you can post a picture of him? I used to figure out what a EE was going to lay for a color of egg by looking at them. (This turned out to be 50/50. Not very accurate at all. I was right once. Ok, I just like looking at pictures of people's roosters. I love roosters, and I love EEs. )

 

[Lacy Duckwing]

This is the greatest chart ever for this type of stuff!

Wow! What a cool chart! Wow!

 

[ChloeSilkie08]

As far as breeding with EEs, there is really no way to tell, but he might be able to past the color to his children. Here's some of my experiances:

First Generation: The Start

I started out with Douglas. When I got him, I got him and a Barred Rock rooster. No hens. Douglas was an EE. Here's a picture of him:

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Second Generation:

The second generation was his children. I kept all his daughters, which was four in all, and one of his sons. All the hens layed blueish-green eggs. I had bred Douglas with some brown egger hybrids. All his daughters came out as EE hybrids. Here's some pictures of the second generation:
Douglas' son Jose`:
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Douglas' daughter Marvalo:
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His daughter Shiloh. Her eggs were more blue than green:
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His daughter Chenoa:
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His daughter Vienna. She layed more of green eggs than blue:
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Third Generation: Jose`'s Daughters

For the third generation, I bred Jose` with brown egger hens. He had two daughters, Cave and Bailey. They had single combs and layed brown eggs. Here's a picture of them:

View attachment 2488430

Fourth Generation:

The fourth generation was Vienna's daughter with a NHR rooster. Sorry, this probably been in third generation now that I think about it.... It came in fourth somewhere, but you can look at it as third. Vienna's daughter Katie layed green eggs. Here's a picture of her:

View attachment 2488448

That was my experiance with the EE generations. I called the group Douglas Whites after Douglas. They were hybrid EEs that were pretty good egg layers with the "dual-purpose" weight.
If I was you, I'd breed your rooster with a white-egger to preserve the pigment. If you breed him with brown eggers, you might get olive eggs. What gene he carries will be passed down. Now, I don't know how "culling" him would tell you what egg color gene he's carrying. Either way, if he is dead, how would that help you? As far as I know, you can't breed a dead rooster. That's kinda confusing me. Perhaps you can post a picture of him? I used to figure out what a EE was going to lay for a color of egg by looking at them. (This turned out to be 50/50. Not very accurate at all. I was right once. Ok, I just like looking at pictures of people's roosters. I love roosters, and I love EEs. )

You have such pretty chickens!!!!!

 

[ChloeSilkie08]

Wow! What a cool chart! Wow!

Thank you!

 

[LinzeeBrie]

As far as breeding with EEs, there is really no way to tell, but he might be able to past the color to his children. Here's some of my experiances:

First Generation: The Start

I started out with Douglas. When I got him, I got him and a Barred Rock rooster. No hens. Douglas was an EE. Here's a picture of him:

View attachment 2488403

Second Generation:

The second generation was his children. I kept all his daughters, which was four in all, and one of his sons. All the hens layed blueish-green eggs. I had bred Douglas with some brown egger hybrids. All his daughters came out as EE hybrids. Here's some pictures of the second generation:
Douglas' son Jose`:
View attachment 2488417
Douglas' daughter Marvalo:
View attachment 2488418
His daughter Shiloh. Her eggs were more blue than green:
View attachment 2488420
His daughter Chenoa:
View attachment 2488422
His daughter Vienna. She layed more of green eggs than blue:
View attachment 2488424

Third Generation: Jose`'s Daughters

For the third generation, I bred Jose` with brown egger hens. He had two daughters, Cave and Bailey. They had single combs and layed brown eggs. Here's a picture of them:

View attachment 2488430

Fourth Generation:

The fourth generation was Vienna's daughter with a NHR rooster. Sorry, this probably been in third generation now that I think about it.... It came in fourth somewhere, but you can look at it as third. Vienna's daughter Katie layed green eggs. Here's a picture of her:

View attachment 2488448

That was my experiance with the EE generations. I called the group Douglas Whites after Douglas. They were hybrid EEs that were pretty good egg layers with the "dual-purpose" weight.
If I was you, I'd breed your rooster with a white-egger to preserve the pigment. If you breed him with brown eggers, you might get olive eggs. What gene he carries will be passed down. Now, I don't know how "culling" him would tell you what egg color gene he's carrying. Either way, if he is dead, how would that help you? As far as I know, you can't breed a dead rooster. That's kinda confusing me. Perhaps you can post a picture of him? I used to figure out what a EE was going to lay for a color of egg by looking at them. (This turned out to be 50/50. Not very accurate at all. I was right once. Ok, I just like looking at pictures of people's roosters. I love roosters, and I love EEs. )

Lol. I just mean that I would cull him if it's easiest/best to take his genetics out of the mix..... Because I don't really need him, I have more "pure" roosters... I just don't like them as much
Thank you so much for all the work/details you put into that! Here's Waddles: