3 Chicks Sick with Different Symptoms- Please Help!

SequoiaBaby7

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I had a house sitter come and stay at my house to take care of my dogs and 13 chicks while my husband and I were gone for the last four days. All of the chicks were happy and healthy when I left. When we got home last night at 11 pm, my husband killed a rat that was on the roof of our henhouse/ brooder. When I checked on the chicks, I noticed that my Cornish Cross had a bloody, poopy vent but did not do a thorough check on her because I only had a flashlight. This morning, I began treating it like it was cocci, however after doing an exam on all of the chicks I noticed that there is something wrong with three of my chicks and they all have different signs and symptoms. Please, please, please help, this is my first set of chicks and I am unsure of what to do!

1) What type of bird , age and weight (does the chicken seem or feel lighter or thinner than the others.)
Cornish Cross- 4 weeks old, heavy (but average weight for a meat bird).
Salmon Faveroles- 3 weeks old, seems to be losing weight and is much smaller than the other birds her age.
Bantam Cochin- 4 weeks old, average weight.

2) What is the behavior, exactly.
CC- some kind of infected wounds at the vent that are bloody with puss.
SF- appears significantly thinner and did not grow at all in size while I was which is what really worries me. It is opening its mouth a lot, it looks like she is yawning over and over again. However, it does not appear like it is labored breathing. She has always been a little slower too and does her own thing away from the flock.
BC- is limping/ not using one of its legs. It will get up an move around but mainly stays laying down. She is usually very social but today she has not interacted with the other birds.

3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms?
Symptoms showed up sometime within the last 4 days while I was gone.

4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms?
No, all three have different signs and symptoms. The rest of the flock does not have any symptoms.

5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma.
There is a wound around the vent and on the side of the tail, feathers are missing in the area. The other 2 show no signs of injury.

6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.
My husband found a rat on the roof of the henhouse and immediately killed it. It does not look like it got into the house, but I have no idea since I was not home for the last four days. Is it possible that it attacked and injured the CC and Cochin?

7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.
All three are eating and drinking.

8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.
The CC's stool was runny, foamy blood and what looked like puss- not normal whatsoever. I haven't seen the other chicks' stool yet but will update.

9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?
I have quarantined the three birds and have begun giving corid to the whole flock because I originally assumed that I was dealing with cocci with my CC until I was able to get a better look. I am going to clean the CC's wound asap with warm water.

10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?
I would like to treat completely myself if possible. If home treatment is not possible, we will have to cull the chicks. My husband is just wanting to cull the CC because he is disgusted by the wound and cannot imagine prossessing and eating the bird.

11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
I will post pictures bellow.

12) Describe the housing/bedding in use.
They are in a closed henhouse that I am using as the brooder with aspen shavings. Once it gets hot enough during the day, I open the house for them to be out in the coop. Chicks have been vaccinated for Mareks, are on medicated chick starter and vitamins in their water.
 
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Here is my Cornish Cross. You can see that there are missing feathers as well as some scabs where they used to be. Then there is an open wound around the vent and one on the right of her tail.

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Here is my Cornish Cross. You can see that there are missing feathers as well as some scabs where they used to be. Then there is an open wound around the vent and one on the right of her tail.

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Clean the wound with warm water (better is saline) and put a neosporin type ointment on it and keep it isolated until it heals. If you have Vetericyn apply before the ointment. The CC should be fully healed before processing. Again, my weakest area is bird first aid.
 
Clean the wound with warm water (better is saline) and put a neosporin type ointment on it and keep it isolated until it heals. If you have Vetericyn apply before the ointment. The CC should be fully healed before processing. Again, my weakest area is bird first aid.

Thanks, do you have any idea what could be wrong with the other two?
 
Thanks, do you have any idea what could be wrong with the other two?
As for the SF I'd give nutri drench as a starter. @Ravynscroft can you take a look. For the one with a leg problem, feel the joints and see if you can feel anything out of the ordinary, if not, give it time. They are pretty resilient on leg injuries. Again, remember I'm an amateur here... Someone with more experience might give you a totally different answer, if they do, go with it.
 
As for the SF I'd give nutri drench as a starter. @Ravynscroft can you take a look. For the one with a leg problem, feel the joints and see if you can feel anything out of the ordinary, if not, give it time. They are pretty resilient on leg injuries. Again, remember I'm an amateur here... Someone with more experience might give you a totally different answer, if they do, go with it.

Will do! And thank you again, I really preciate it!
 
Well, I'm glad you found the injury in you CX.

Rats 100% ARE chick and chicken predators. Though that may not be what happened, it is important to keep on top of them!

Sadly, first aid is also my weakest point. But I agree a bath is the right course of action for the CX and epsom salt added is recommended. As well keep an eye for any maggots that may have gotten to the wounds. I would probably dress with triple antibiotic ointment... OR cut my losses and cull considering how much time I might have to put in trying to save a bird I will process in a couple weeks. Depends really on how bad off the overall bird is.

The Cochin MAY have an injury. But that is also one sign of Marek's and despite being vaccinated does not mean you birds won't catch it. :(

Wish I had any input on the SF.. other than saying that because they are heritage breed LARGE birds, mine did grow much slower and mature slower than other breeds as well. I wouldn't expect the same growth rate as CX. Also, SF tend to be lower in the pecking order. So she may be having to much competition for feed? I don't know about yawning.

Hoping the best for you and for some more help! SOmetimes these things go by the front page fast and may not be seen by many. So if you don't get much response, try doing a bump post every so often. :fl
 
Well, I'm glad you found the injury in you CX.

Rats 100% ARE chick and chicken predators. Though that may not be what happened, it is important to keep on top of them!

Sadly, first aid is also my weakest point. But I agree a bath is the right course of action for the CX and epsom salt added is recommended. As well keep an eye for any maggots that may have gotten to the wounds. I would probably dress with triple antibiotic ointment... OR cut my losses and cull considering how much time I might have to put in trying to save a bird I will process in a couple weeks. Depends really on how bad off the overall bird is.

The Cochin MAY have an injury. But that is also one sign of Marek's and despite being vaccinated does not mean you birds won't catch it. :(

Wish I had any input on the SF.. other than saying that because they are heritage breed LARGE birds, mine did grow much slower and mature slower than other breeds as well. I wouldn't expect the same growth rate as CX. Also, SF tend to be lower in the pecking order. So she may be having to much competition for feed? I don't know about yawning.

Hoping the best for you and for some more help! SOmetimes these things go by the front page fast and may not be seen by many. So if you don't get much response, try doing a bump post every so often. :fl

Thanks for the help! We set up rat traps outside of the coop and secured the henhouse to hopefully prevent anymore problems like that from happening.

After bathing her, the CX's wounds look fairly superficial to me, but there is quite a big chunk of skin missing next to her tail. It definitely looks like something attacked her because I don't see any other explanation on why she looks so mangled.

As for the Bantam Cochin, it looks like she has full mobility of her leg and it is just painful for her to put weight on it. So not exactly paralysis like what would happen with Mareks (I hope). I read that it could be due to a vitamin B deficiency so I am going to try polyvisol without iron and see if that helps.
 
Maybe vitamin E deficiency to. I believe Selenium is possibly key to alleviating either. I had one present that I treated for deficiency because nothing else made sense. After it survived 2 weeks with full leg paralysis (in quarantine, the others would have pecked it to death within a day or two) I made the decision to cull, which by this time 1 more symptom of Marek's showed up (change in eye color). A few weeks later 1 chick started holding their leg up and kinda dragging 1 foot. After not seeing injury and knowing the time I spent saving the previous one (which showed NO other symptoms for a very long time) I decided culling instead of allowing any possible disease to continue spreading among my flock was the best route.. and honestly I don't regret it. But it took a long time to get where we are now and making those HARD decisions. The ugly part of this hobby.

I doubt either because you are using a whole nutrition feed, so deficiencies would be genetic or parasitic (like worms, but I still have doubts), (assuming you aren't overdoing low nutrient treat like corn, lettuce, melon, and the likes). Which *may* be overcome if that is it.

But this is based on my own experience and just sharing. I know we all will have different experiences and challenges. Rats will eat chickens alive! And often starting near the vent/oil gland.

Sounds like you are on top of this as good as you can be. One final note... B vitamins will cancel out any cocci treatment, so don't do both at the same time. Choose one or the other and hang in there. :hugs
 
Maybe vitamin E deficiency to. I believe Selenium is possibly key to alleviating either. I had one present that I treated for deficiency because nothing else made sense. After it survived 2 weeks with full leg paralysis (in quarantine, the others would have pecked it to death within a day or two) I made the decision to cull, which by this time 1 more symptom of Marek's showed up (change in eye color). A few weeks later 1 chick started holding their leg up and kinda dragging 1 foot. After not seeing injury and knowing the time I spent saving the previous one (which showed NO other symptoms for a very long time) I decided culling instead of allowing any possible disease to continue spreading among my flock was the best route.. and honestly I don't regret it. But it took a long time to get where we are now and making those HARD decisions. The ugly part of this hobby.

I doubt either because you are using a whole nutrition feed, so deficiencies would be genetic or parasitic (like worms, but I still have doubts), (assuming you aren't overdoing low nutrient treat like corn, lettuce, melon, and the likes). Which *may* be overcome if that is it.

But this is based on my own experience and just sharing. I know we all will have different experiences and challenges. Rats will eat chickens alive! And often starting near the vent/oil gland.

Sounds like you are on top of this as good as you can be. One final note... B vitamins will cancel out any cocci treatment, so don't do both at the same time. Choose one or the other and hang in there. :hugs

I think I'm going to give her a chance and wait a few days to see if there is any improvement by the end of the weekend. The last thing I want to do is spread Mareks to the rest of my flock or make her suffer more than she has to.
 

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