3 questions about Silkie colours...need help, please

[Sonoran Silkies]

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No, it's possible, but far from a certainty. Theoretically you could get just about anything from a white bred to a non-white. Might as well ask If I breed my black, what colour will it produce? THe answer all depends on the genes carried by the other bird and how they mesh with the genes carried by the black. A white is essentially an unknown, because white is an OFF switch that prevents the display of colour and pattern genes present in the bird.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Let's assume that she is grey, carrying eb/eb (brown), S/- (silver), and Pg/Pg (pattern gene).

If mated to a partridge male (eb/eb s/s Pg/Pg) her sons will be grey, but split between silver and gold (eb/eb S/s Pg/Pg). Her daughters will be partridge: eb/eb S/- Pg/Pg.

If she is missing Pg, then her offspring may also lack a copy. If both parents are split for Pg, some will not be partridge, some will be split and some will be pure.

 

[HatTrickSilkies]

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Buff X Splash will give you all blue offspring with off color (same as breeding Buff to (Andalusian) Blue).

Buff X Splash offspring eventually can be useful in breeding buffs. It works well in clearing up a smutty undercoat. It will also soften the black feathers in the wings, tail and feet to a blue, then a light blue (which is easier on the eyes) and eventually a WHITE. The same will happen to your undercoat, you run the risk of turning it white as well.

It takes A LOT of years to start to see the small benefit of using dilution in your buff program. And it takes just a few breedings to overdo it.

I'm not sure why so many think that buff and dilution go hand in hand or buff x blue or buff x splash is a saving grace when it comes to working with buff silkies. I think evenness of color gets overlooked far too much in the quest for a "clear" tail or wings.

Sorry to get off topic, the OP's question was due to not having a buff male. I went into a lot of detail

~ Nikki

 

[bama_chic42]

Hi ,
Can anybody help ? What colors do you mix to get a porcelain
silkie? I have one, but I would like to have more.
And another question breeding two porcelains together
do they breed true?

Thanks,
Brenda

 

[muzzles&nuzzles]

I think first you have to decide if you just want pet silkies or you want SQ?

After I had mine for a year or so and had bred pets I realized I wanted SQ. So I had to start all over and look at type etc. There are so many other variables than just the color. Also, breeding mistakes OUT of your lines is difficult so I suggest doing some research to see what you really like silkies to look like.

Personally, I would breed to the standard then you (hopefully) have good breeding stock with nice type, correct toes and comb etc. Then if you want to experiment you can without having a "mess". Does that make any sense?

I can't take giving away birds that I lovingly raised and am attached to because they aren't what I want them to be. However, if you ever want to show that is exactly what you have to do. I had to take a few years off from breeding because it was rough having to sell birds to people I didn't know.

I am getting off topic. I am just trying to say really think hard about what you want in a silkie before breeding "willy nilly".

I only breed my white to white. I breed my partridge to blue though because that is my "play" breeding. Breeding an OK partridge to a really good blue (from a top breeder) has given me a few really nice "blue partridges". I think it is time to breed them back to a good partridge. LOL

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Porcelain is lavender diluted mille fleur, Yes, porcelain bred to porcelin should breed true.

 

[fjorddreamer]

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Let's assume that she is grey, carrying eb/eb (brown), S/- (silver), and Pg/Pg (pattern gene).

If mated to a partridge male (eb/eb s/s Pg/Pg) her sons will be grey, but split between silver and gold (eb/eb S/s Pg/Pg). Her daughters will be partridge: eb/eb S/- Pg/Pg.

If she is missing Pg, then her offspring may also lack a copy. If both parents are split for Pg, some will not be partridge, some will be split and some will be pure.

O.K.....but what about Splash and Grey. I need to know what Splash and Grey will give me? Thanks!

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Let's assume that she is grey, carrying eb/eb (brown), S/- (silver), and Pg/Pg (pattern gene).

If mated to a partridge male (eb/eb s/s Pg/Pg) her sons will be grey, but split between silver and gold (eb/eb S/s Pg/Pg). Her daughters will be partridge: eb/eb S/- Pg/Pg.

If she is missing Pg, then her offspring may also lack a copy. If both parents are split for Pg, some will not be partridge, some will be split and some will be pure.

O.K.....but what about Splash and Grey. I need to know what Splash and Grey will give me? Thanks!

Have you tried the chicken calculator? For grey, select multiple laced partridge, then change gold (s+) to silver (S).

Part of the answer will depend on whether the splash carries gold or silver (or split if male). Any of these is possible.

 

[bama_chic42]

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Porcelain is lavender diluted mille fleur, Yes, porcelain bred to porcelin should breed true.

We are talking about silkies right?
I've never seen a mille fleur silkie Do you a a picture of one
I'd really love to see it.

Thanks ,
Brenda

 

[Smoky73]

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I want to add that there are ALWAYS Exceptions to those color rules, depending on what genes are hidden. I mated black to blue and got partridge, and I also mated two blacks and got several whites. I just recently mated a blue to buff and I have what appears to be a splash as well as a bunch of blue birds with gold all over them.