4 ducklings hatched without eyes?!?

[ChickenCanoe]

Not ducks.

 

[Raenh]

Not ducks.

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[happyduckygal]

I have Muscovies and "quackers" (Pekin, Rouen, Runners, etc), and they do breed each other. It's been my experience that ducklings that color grow up to be pure bred chocolate Muscovies.

What color are the Muscovy parents?

Mama is mostly brown and my two male muscovys are both mostly black

 

[happyduckygal]

Since this forum is getting some great responses lol..... anyone know anything about angel wing also? Two of my muscovys have angel wings in which one of them, a male, is a parent to these same batch of babies. Is angel wings genetic? Is there a possibility the babies will also have it? Any ways to prevent it?

 

[chickens really]

Mama is mostly brown and my two male muscovys are both mostly black

You won't know till older If crosses

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Since this forum is getting some great responses lol..... anyone know anything about angel wing also? Two of my muscovys have angel wings in which one of them, a male, is a parent to these same batch of babies. Is angel wings genetic? Is there a possibility the babies will also have it? Any ways to prevent it?

Hi. Sorry I didn't read the whole thread so I may have missed if this was already posted... According to my favorite hatching resource there is a reason for missing eyes...

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• Missing one or both eyes • Temperature high during the first 6 days of incubation • Insufficient oxygenation during the first 6 days of incubation •

I believe starting around page 51 is hatch diagnosis. This is for chickens... but I feel it is relative to ducks, just maybe not on the same day of development that is stated for chick embryos...
https://www.hubbardbreeders.com/media/incubation_guideen__053407700_1525_26062017.pdf

Also sorry you face this.

Angel wing is not well understood... I would consider it to be genetic *possibly* accentuated by other things like diet. I have seen some things state too much protein... but to me if you replace the protein with empty calories you could get the same thing really... (too rapid of growth indicated as ONE possible cause) just in a less healthy bird.

 

[Pyxis]

Mama is mostly brown and my two male muscovys are both mostly black

Sounds like the mother might be chocolate. If so, there is a possibility that your males carry chocolate and you could potentially get chocolate ducklings

Since this forum is getting some great responses lol..... anyone know anything about angel wing also? Two of my muscovys have angel wings in which one of them, a male, is a parent to these same batch of babies. Is angel wings genetic? Is there a possibility the babies will also have it? Any ways to prevent it?

There might be a genetic component. Angel wing is most likely to happen to males, and most likely to happen in the left wing. It seems that it is caused often by improper nutrition. It has never, not ever, been documented in a population of wild birds that is NOT fed by humans, but you CAN find it in populations of wild birds that ARE fed by humans. So it seems more likely to be a nutritional thing than a genetic thing.

It's caused by rapid growth resulting in the growing wings growing faster than the wing muscles can support, so the wings twist out at the last joint. Some people think it's caused by too much protein, but I would think excess calories in any form could cause this too rapid growth. I myself feed a 22% protein diet to my birds and have never had angel wing, aside from once in a male hatchery mallard in the left wing, and that was before I was feeding the feed that I feed now - that feed actually had lower protein.

 

[happyduckygal]

Hi. Sorry I didn't read the whole thread so I may have missed if this was already posted... According to my favorite hatching resource there is a reason for missing eyes...

Page 54...
• Missing one or both eyes • Temperature high during the first 6 days of incubation • Insufficient oxygenation during the first 6 days of incubation •

I believe starting around page 51 is hatch diagnosis. This is for chickens... but I feel it is relative to ducks, just maybe not on the same day of development that is stated for chick embryos...
https://www.hubbardbreeders.com/media/incubation_guideen__053407700_1525_26062017.pdf

Also sorry you face this.

Angel wing is not well understood... I would consider it to be genetic *possibly* accentuated by other things like diet. I have seen some things state too much protein... but to me if you replace the protein with empty calories you could get the same thing really... (too rapid of growth indicated as ONE possible cause) just in a less healthy bird.

The information you gave for the eyes is basically what others have also come across.

I've found the same stuff about the angel wing. It's a toss up to alter their food or not? I've always used the same feed for past chicks and ducks and never had a problem so I don't see why it would be the protein

 

[chickens really]

Take one for necropsy if it passes away ..Only way to actually know from a specialist in the field...
Best wishes...

 

[happyduckygal]

Sounds like the mother might be chocolate. If so, there is a possibility that your males carry chocolate and you could potentially get chocolate ducklings



There might be a genetic component. Angel wing is most likely to happen to males, and most likely to happen in the left wing. It seems that it is caused often by improper nutrition. It has never, not ever, been documented in a population of wild birds that is NOT fed by humans, but you CAN find it in populations of wild birds that ARE fed by humans. So it seems more likely to be a nutritional thing than a genetic thing.

It's caused by rapid growth resulting in the growing wings growing faster than the wing muscles can support, so the wings twist out at the last joint. Some people think it's caused by too much protein, but I would think excess calories in any form could cause this too rapid growth. I myself feed a high protein diet to my birds and have never had angel wing, aside from once in a male hatchery mallard in the left wing, and that was before I was feeding the feed that I feed now - that feed actually had lower protein.

I'm really on the fense about altering the diet. I've used the same feed for chicks and ducklings in the past and never ran into this problem. The two muscovys that have the angel wing are brother and sister. On the female her left wing is affected and on the male both wings are affected.