A Bielefelder Thread !

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RedBanks said:
I can't remember but I am sure the number of imports is very low. All the CLs in this country are from 11 birds. I doubt there were more Bielefelders.
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hi redbanks,

so with two import years should be double.. but still curious as to approximate numbers.. I know, curiousity kills the cat.. I should have been dead along time ago!
 
bluejean55girl said:
hi redbanks,

so with two import years should be double.. but still curious as to approximate numbers.. I know, curiousity kills the cat.. I should have been dead along time ago!
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I will try to find an answer for you but even if there were two imports we don't know what we are doubling. Here is what happened with the Cream Legbars. As I said there have only been 11 imported..... if you want to get technical there were 15 but 4 were lost to Mareks.

In September 2010 the first shipment arrived. There were two groups, 1 rooster and 4 hens from one flock and a trio from another flock. After a bout of Mareks there was a trio left from the original 5 and one rooster from the trio. The trio (three remaining from the original 5) became the A line and the female offspring of line A were bred to the unrelated surviving rooster (from the trio) and became the B line.

In October 2011 a trio arrived. They became the C line.

In September 2013 they imported two pairs of Jill Rees CLs.

We know it is tight with the B-la-felders too.
 
RedBanks said:
I will try to find an answer for you but even if there were two imports we don't know what we are doubling. Here is what happened with the Cream Legbars. As I said there have only been 11 imported..... if you want to get technical there were 15 but 4 were lost to Mareks.

In September 2010 the first shipment arrived. There were two groups, 1 rooster and 4 hens from one flock and a trio from another flock. After a bout of Mareks there was a trio left from the original 5 and one rooster from the trio. The trio (three remaining from the original 5) became the A line and the female offspring of line A were bred to the unrelated surviving rooster (from the trio) and became the B line.

In October 2011 a trio arrived. They became the C line.

In September 2013 they imported two pairs of Jill Rees CLs.

We know it is tight with the B-la-felders too.
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thanks redbanks, looking forward to what you are able to discover.. in my research I understand that getting downline from different places also helps with possible genetic diversity.. so my eggs I have here are from lousiana, and some bieles that are about 1 1/2 hours from me (oklahoma) are downline from the 2011 line. (so I can get eggs from them later if need be)

my problem is that in researching how to start MY A and B lines (in my own potential flock) they are assuming that you are starting with unrelated birds.. not in the middle of tight linebreeding already.. I understand the breeding charts of crossing the A and B lines back and forth.

from what little I can tell... most people are happy with one or two roos breeding everybody together.. I already linebreed cattle so some of that will translate here.

but still I want a structured breeding plan for myself. which is why I was asking if chicks could/would favor their sire(s) just enough to give a visual hint as a possible way to separate into a A line or a B line, or a C line.. etc.. grins

I will put my new eggs into the incubator tomorrow afternoon. I hope they will hatch for me as I got that cheapo yellow plastic ebay one.. lol

can you tell I'm addicted to research? grins
 
I think it's great that you're researching. I just don't have the expertise to offer you. But I suggest that you pose your questions to GaryDean26. He's the guy to ask even though he's a cream Legbar guy and he was a Black Copper Marans guy. Genetics are genetics. You can send him a PM.
 
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@bluejean55girl if you want solid answers head over the to BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION ... EGGS OR MEAT thread, and if you are afraid to click on the link just search it on this website, its a very informative thread!!!
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