a bit of a dog problem

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So, you know your neighbor wouldn't think twice about killing your dogs, you know he does things that attract your dogs to his yard, and you still refuse to protect your dogs by restricting them to your property - you think it's his responsibility to change his farm practices, so you don't have to change your dog ownership practices?

I'm sorry, but if he shoots your dogs, it's your own fault.

Well said, I couldn't agree more.



QuirkySue: Roaming dogs not only pose a risk to livestock, but if they happen to team up with other roaming dogs, they can take on a pack mentality. Then not only does going after livestock become an issue, but so can going after people. People say, "Oh my dog/s would never do that," but I've seen it happen several times. As a matter of fact, the police here had to shoot a dog not long ago, normally a friendly dog from what I understand, because of just that very thing. It doesn't take many dogs to form a pack btw.

The dogs can also get hit by cars, attacked by coyotes, torn up by other dogs, etc. I've worked in the animal industry almost all my life (dealing mainly with dogs). In that time I also worked as a vet's assistant. I can't tell you how many dogs I've had to deal with that were hit by cars, all because people wouldn't keep these dogs contained. There was also the dogs that suffered along the roadways that the owners had no clue had been hit, before a passerby found them and brought the dogs in. I've not only been the person at the vet's office who had to hold these dogs while they were euthanized, but I've been that person that found them on the side of the road on a couple of occasions. Dogs bleeding all over the back of my car, screaming in pain, just for me to take them to the vet. and have the vet. say the injuries were too great and they had to be put down. All is takes is your dog getting off your porch or out of your yard one time to get hit by a car. Not to mention the dogs I also had to hold while they were being euthanized due to being shot, as vets can't save them all. Unless the owner shows up to take that dog home to be buried, it's put in a bag, thrown in a freezer and then taken to the dump with the rest of the euthanized animals. This is what can happen to your baby if you're not careful. I hate to sound mean, but trust me, holding animals while they were being put down was not the highlight of my day. It was especially heartbreaking to me when it could've been prevented. Unfortunately this is the reality for many dogs who run loose.

I don't care what this man has in his yard that attracts animals, if your dog was properly contained, it wouldn't have been able to get over there. I do understand the canine Houdini's that are able to get out of just about anything you put them in, but this isn't the case going by what you've stated. My dogs are my babies too, and as such I would never allow my dogs the opportunity to leave my property. Especially since I have pit bulls, who suffer a bad reputation as it is and this is how breed legislation starts. I also own a Boston Terrier though, and I'm just as vigilant with his little butt. I don't care how well trained your dog is, it's a dog, they do not have the mental capacity to understand repercussions as a human does, so it is your responsibility to protect them by being sure there is no way they can get out of your yard and into his. If you know this man wouldn't think twice about shooting your dog, you're gambling with it's life by not keeping it off his property. You can sic health inspectors, police, etc. on him after he shoots your dog all you want, but that will not take away it's pain if it doesn't die and if it does, it will not bring it back.

As for the hatchery bird comment, my birds are hatchery birds and will be our pets with benefits. I can tell you right now that if you were my neighbor and your dog got to my chickens, there would be major problems. I have a 10 yr. old child. While she understands these are chickens and things can happen to them, no amount of money or I'm sorry's would take away the pain my child felt at the loss of her pet because of someone else's irresponsibility. And that's what all of this boils down to, responsibility.

Like I said, I'm sorry if I sound mean, I've just been on the other side of things and have seen way too many dogs suffer due to irresponsible owners.

Okay, now I'm stepping off my soapbox too, lol!
 
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Well said, I couldn't agree more.



QuirkySue: Roaming dogs not only pose a risk to livestock, but if they happen to team up with other roaming dogs, they can take on a pack mentality. Then not only does going after livestock become an issue, but so can going after people. People say, "Oh my dog/s would never do that," but I've seen it happen several times. As a matter of fact, the police here had to shoot a dog not long ago, normally a friendly dog from what I understand, because of just that very thing. It doesn't take many dogs to form a pack btw.

The dogs can also get hit by cars, attacked by coyotes, torn up by other dogs, etc. I've worked in the animal industry almost all my life (dealing mainly with dogs). In that time I also worked as a vet's assistant. I can't tell you how many dogs I've had to deal with that were hit by cars, all because people wouldn't keep these dogs contained. There was also the dogs that suffered along the roadways that the owners had no clue had been hit, before a passerby found them and brought the dogs in. I've not only been the person at the vet's office who had to hold these dogs while they were euthanized, but I've been that person that found them on the side of the road on a couple of occasions. Dogs bleeding all over the back of my car, screaming in pain, just for me to take them to the vet. and have the vet. say the injuries were too great and they had to be put down. All is takes is your dog getting off your porch or out of your yard one time to get hit by a car. Not to mention the dogs I also had to hold while they were being euthanized due to being shot, as vets can't save them all. Unless the owner shows up to take that dog home to be buried, it's put in a bag, thrown in a freezer and then taken to the dump with the rest of the euthanized animals. This is what can happen to your baby if you're not careful. I hate to sound mean, but trust me, holding animals while they were being put down was not the highlight of my day. It was especially heartbreaking to me when it could've been prevented. Unfortunately this is the reality for many dogs who run loose.

I don't care what this man has in his yard that attracts animals, if your dog was properly contained, it wouldn't have been able to get over there. I do understand the canine Houdini's that are able to get out of just about anything you put them in, but this isn't the case going by what you've stated. My dogs are my babies too, and as such I would never allow my dogs the opportunity to leave my property. Especially since I have pit bulls, who suffer a bad reputation as it is and this is how breed legislation starts. I also own a Boston Terrier though, and I'm just as vigilant with his little butt. I don't care how well trained your dog is, it's a dog, they do not have the mental capacity to understand repercussions as a human does, so it is your responsibility to protect them by being sure there is no way they can get out of your yard and into his. If you know this man wouldn't think twice about shooting your dog, you're gambling with it's life by not keeping it off his property. You can sic health inspectors, police, etc. on him after he shoots your dog all you want, but that will not take away it's pain if it doesn't die and if it does, it will not bring it back.

As for the hatchery bird comment, my birds are hatchery birds and will be our pets with benefits. I can tell you right now that if you were my neighbor and your dog got to my chickens, there would be major problems. I have a 10 yr. old child. While she understands these are chickens and things can happen to them, no amount of money or I'm sorry's would take away the pain my child felt at the loss of her pet because of someone else's irresponsibility. And that's what all of this boils down to, responsibility.

Like I said, I'm sorry if I sound mean, I've just been on the other side of things and have seen way too many dogs suffer due to irresponsible owners.

Okay, now I'm stepping off my soapbox too, lol!


THIS^^^^^^^ Well said.
 
Stepping out of this conversation now. I just wanted people to think first shoot second and no amount of explaining will help. I don't need to be lectured I understand exactly what all of you are saying. I only shared my story to try to make people pause for a second and not just shoot because its a RIGHT, if there is any other way of dealing with a troublesome dog.
FWIW My neighbour won't shoot my dog because we asked him very nicely not to, knowing he might have otherwise. For his many faults, deep down he's an ok guy for giving us time to train our city dogs to respect boundaries coming from a completely fenced tiny yard to an area of small acreages where noone ties or pens their dogs. In MY particular case he would probably have been ok with $$$, had there ever been a problem.Obviously that isn't an option in every situation.
My dog does not roam, and since my mutt dog died (old age not bullets or cars) she stays right by our side. There are no roaming packs here because animal control takes care of dogs on the loose. But whatever. I've been labelled an irresponsible dog owner and that's how it is.
 
Stepping out of this conversation now. I just wanted people to think first shoot second and no amount of explaining will help. I don't need to be lectured I understand exactly what all of you are saying. I only shared my story to try to make people pause for a second and not just shoot because its a RIGHT, if there is any other way of dealing with a troublesome dog.
FWIW My neighbour won't shoot my dog because we asked him very nicely not to, knowing he might have otherwise. For his many faults, deep down he's an ok guy for giving us time to train our city dogs to respect boundaries coming from a completely fenced tiny yard to an area of small acreages where noone ties or pens their dogs. In MY particular case he would probably have been ok with $$$, had there ever been a problem.Obviously that isn't an option in every situation.
My dog does not roam, and since my mutt dog died (old age not bullets or cars) she stays right by our side. There are no roaming packs here because animal control takes care of dogs on the loose. But whatever. I've been labelled an irresponsible dog owner and that's how it is.

I don't even know what to say. I'm sorry if you thought I was one of the ones lecturing you, as that was not my intent. My post was not made to upset or insult. It was to help and to educate if need be. I explained different circumstances so it would be known that these are the things that can happen in these circumstances. I have been on the other side of it, so I was giving a glimpse into what I've seen and experienced. I do not want to see anyone's livestock harmed anymore than I'd want to see anyone's dog harmed. My post about the dog and the responsibility was coming from a place of caring about your neighbor's livestock and your dog's well being only.
 
I would hate to think I had upset someone here. I may have come across as harsh, and if so, I apologize. This is supposed to be a place to share and learn. This topic gets brought up every now & then and often gets heated.

I belong to another forum that's more male dominated, & we just let stuff roll. These guys were pretty harsh sometimes, but I've learned a lot from those guys because they weren't afraid to just talk frankly about things. It really helped keep the dialogue going & they opened my eyes to a lot of things. If someone got upset, they talked about it & everybody was good in the end.
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Sometimes some of us attach a lot of unnecessary negative emotions to our responses. We can agree or agree to disagree. At least you now know what others have experienced.

Hey, no hard feelings, eh?
 
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