A bit of an odd pickle with our local council.

MageofMist

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Sorry for the long post, but even though the council here allows me to keep chickens, some reason they now say I am not allowed a rooster due to being a 'potential noise nuisance.' Which confuses me as they allow cockatoos and other large parrots who are even more of a 'potential noise nuisance' than a rooster would ever be. Heck, our neighbors DOGS are louder than the rooster, but no one minds around here and just tune out when they start howling and barking, having gotten used to it.

It is odd that they permit birds that generally scream 24/7, yet not ones that can be controlled to a degree when they crow and to be honest, the rooster's crowing is much quieter than a parrot's screaming or a dog's howling and barking, I sometimes even sleep through the crowing, but the dog barks wake me up still, and they often bark and howl at night. None of the neighbors have ever put any complaints in about him as we do keep him in during the early hours of the morning when people are still sleeping, and when he is out during the late morning and early afternoon, around 9 am usually on work/school days and 11 am on week days and days like bank holidays, and the neighbors often crow back to him when he does crow and seem to enjoy him being around.

The council only found out about him when doing a gas meter check up, which is when the council started whining about it when for the past 3-4 months we had him there were no issues what-so-ever. I am unsure on what to do, and am hoping if there is a way I can try and sort out this issue with the council as I cannot afford an allotment to keep him on and I fear if I bring anything up now about him to them, they'll put a time limit on me to get rid of him and I don't want to give him away to some random person as I know he'll likely end up on someone's plate, or to give him away in general as he is a very lovely bird in nature and appearance and is a part of the family.

Is there any way I can fight for the right to keep my rooster due to their confusing idea of what is a 'noise nuisance' or not?
 
Sorry for the long post, but even though the council here allows me to keep chickens, some reason they now say I am not allowed a rooster due to being a 'potential noise nuisance.' Which confuses me as they allow cockatoos and other large parrots who are even more of a 'potential noise nuisance' than a rooster would ever be. Heck, our neighbors DOGS are louder than the rooster, but no one minds around here and just tune out when they start howling and barking, having gotten used to it.

It is odd that they permit birds that generally scream 24/7, yet not ones that can be controlled to a degree when they crow and to be honest, the rooster's crowing is much quieter than a parrot's screaming or a dog's howling and barking, I sometimes even sleep through the crowing, but the dog barks wake me up still, and they often bark and howl at night. None of the neighbors have ever put any complaints in about him as we do keep him in during the early hours of the morning when people are still sleeping, and when he is out during the late morning and early afternoon, around 9 am usually on work/school days and 11 am on week days and days like bank holidays, and the neighbors often crow back to him when he does crow and seem to enjoy him being around.

The council only found out about him when doing a gas meter check up, which is when the council started whining about it when for the past 3-4 months we had him there were no issues what-so-ever. I am unsure on what to do, and am hoping if there is a way I can try and sort out this issue with the council as I cannot afford an allotment to keep him on and I fear if I bring anything up now about him to them, they'll put a time limit on me to get rid of him and I don't want to give him away to some random person as I know he'll likely end up on someone's plate, or to give him away in general as he is a very lovely bird in nature and appearance and is a part of the family.

Is there any way I can fight for the right to keep my rooster due to their confusing idea of what is a 'noise nuisance' or not?

Maybe ask your neighbors to sign a statement that states he isn't a nucience and that they have no complaints about you keeping him? I'd also look into(research your councils bylaws/rules about how to change/challenge them). Good luck...
 
I did have another thought...most councils or home owners associations or I guess individuals even don't respond well to being challenged. So, maybe instead of going the route of asking them to allow members to own/keep roosters across the board, you could approach it like this?:

"I appreciate all of the hard work this council does to make our neighborhood a pleasant place to live! I know that you face difficult decisions in fulfilling that obligation every day. But with everything in life, change is inevitable and necessary to grow and adapt to the needs and desires of our community. To that end, I'd like to suggest that we developed an approval process to allow the keeping of roosters. I have taken the liberty of aquring signatures from my neighbors about my rooster and to summarize the statement, they don't have an issue with him. I'd also like to volunteer to work with the council in developing this process/policy."

Just a suggestion...oh and I'd share some eggs with the neighbors when I went to ask for their support.;):D
 
Could you put a sign on his cage identifying him as a "Norwegian Blue Parrot" ??
You could claim his crows are just him imitating a rooster because he is pining for the fjords.

Or as an exotic form of cockatoo. Which Silkies remind me of.
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The youngsters are even more parrot-like. :p
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Maybe ask your neighbors to sign a statement that states he isn't a nucience and that they have no complaints about you keeping him? I'd also look into(research your councils bylaws/rules about how to change/challenge them). Good luck...

I did have another thought...most councils or home owners associations or I guess individuals even don't respond well to being challenged. So, maybe instead of going the route of asking them to allow members to own/keep roosters across the board, you could approach it like this?:

"I appreciate all of the hard work this council does to make our neighborhood a pleasant place to live! I know that you face difficult decisions in fulfilling that obligation every day. But with everything in life, change is inevitable and necessary to grow and adapt to the needs and desires of our community. To that end, I'd like to suggest that we developed an approval process to allow the keeping of roosters. I have taken the liberty of aquring signatures from my neighbors about my rooster and to summarize the statement, they don't have an issue with him. I'd also like to volunteer to work with the council in developing this process/policy."

Just a suggestion...oh and I'd share some eggs with the neighbors when I went to ask for their support.;):D

Perhaps the council members could use some eggs while they think it over...

I will write up a statement and try and get my neighbors to sign it. :) And will get a few eggs to share for when the council workers next come by, maybe even add a few quail eggs in too for good measure.

I would look up on the rules, laws and such, but their site is rather barren on them and also on how to challenge them, I only knew about being able to keep chickens as I emailed them.

I have emailed them about an allotment, and the prices of the ones I want are reasonable, but well...
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No cockerels/roosters due to 'noise pollution' :confused:
 
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Just sent this, hopefully they can make a compromise. This is to a different council to the one I live in a house of, as the council that the house is rented from appears to have no allotment page (or well... Any pages of use, not even any rules, unlike the one I contacted now) so... I feel a bit safer trying to make a deal with em'.

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Here's the page about the cockerel noise that is on their site, which led me to believe they were allowed on their allotments and such if one made efforts to keep the noise down.
 
Since the most irritating crowing for neighbors occurs in the wee hours of the morning while the chooks are still inside the coop, perhaps you could insulate your coop to better sound-proof it.

oops, nevermind. I posted before I read your letter. Good job!
 

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